John Larrigan & other Irish Dopers

Tell me all about Ireland.

My mothers ancestors came from tipperary, and I have always wanted to see Ireland - but I doubt I ever will. So tell me:

How cold does it get there? How warm? Do you get snow?
Do the leaves change color in the fall?
Do people drink alot of beer? Do they drink it warm?
Is it true the ecomomy is picking up?
What are the households like? Are there many single mothers?
Do people tend to stay married there?
Do people have many children, or just one or two?
Is there alot of crime?
What do you do with your old people? Do they go to seniors homes, or live with relatives?
What do poor people do for health care? Is there medicare or something?
Do alot of women work outside the home?
What is the education system like? Do kids take alot of garbage classes, or do they stress the 3r’s?
Do kids go to daycare there? or is there no need?

How pervasive is the conflict between the catholics and the protestants? Is it only in the bigger centers? or all over?

What do Irish kids but at the store for a treat?
What do you watch on tv?
What kind of card games do you play?

Tell me everything~its as close to a visit as I am gonna get.

Kelli

I’m of irish descent (Tipperary)…spent our honeymoon there, so not an expert by any means but…
=> Ireland is not a large country geographically…smaller than Illinois for example…

=>In December…the temp seemed to be in the 50s(F) not much snow except in the north…it is a very green country…especialy noticed in Decmber when we left the snowy midwest U.S.

=> beer is not drinken warm. although stout etc is usually at “cellar” temperature (around 45-50 deg (f) )
…we drank a lot of stout (Guinness or Murphys…and a little Beamish) while there …was surprised at the amount of Budweiser on tap (yeck)

=> officially sanctioned divorce is a relatively new phenomenon…we saw signs still up from the referendum when we were there in December 1995

=> There are 2 Irelands…Dublin, and everything else…so I think that some of the lifestyle questions may depend on where in Ireland you are…

=> the education system is primarily church run (for the most part)

=> the sectarian conflicts are really only observed first hand in Northern Ireland (where they are called the Troubles)…I did not really notice them as a topic of daily conversation all over Ireland…perhaps it depends on specific current events. When we were there…there was a bit of controversy about supposed drug lords in the North being executed

=> Yes the economy is picking up…Ireland (especially Dublin) is becoming a hot bed of tech firms…and of course tourism is still big

=> I believe that the health care system is similar in approach to the UK (I could be wrong on this)

=> T.V. is primarily state run…there are a few BBC channels…(especially up north)…irish television…satellite channels from the states …lots of chat shows and quiz shows when we were there…

=> the stories you hear about the friendliness of the Irish were certainly true for us…the Irish personality is not boisterous like say, the Italians…but people were always willing to go out of their way to help us…

pics from our honeymoon and related links are at my web site http://home.revealed.net/ddwyer/Irish_Pics.html
feel free anybody to correct my mistakes :slight_smile:

Wonderful!!!
Thank you so much!

Sheesh! Questions, questions! I’ll take a stab at this seeing as noone else has, but bear in mind all answers are to be taken with a hefty pinch of salt and may not reflect the opinions of every Irish person, and no doubt somebody will be along in a minute to correct/contradict pretty much every answer.
How cold does it get there? Rarely below freezing, it hovers within a couple of degrees (C) of it for about three months of the year.

How warm? At the very most 32 degrees centigrade (90F I think), this summer was crap, I’d say 25 degrees C (80F) was about the best.

Do you get snow? At most once or twice a year, if that, and when we do get a lot we don’t really deal with it very well, busses stop running, taxi drivers go home, old people freeze.

Do the leaves change color in the fall? No we remove them for hygiene purposes. :slight_smile:

Do people drink alot of beer? I believe that Ireland is rated fifteenth in the world for alcohol consumption, but most people I know drink copious amounts of beer.

Do they drink it warm? Warm beer? Ick! Beer is drunk cold (maybe not as cold as in the US).

Is it true the ecomomy is picking up? The economy has been booming for about five years in an unprecedented way, mostly because of inward investment, and because of a young educated labour force, but underlying stuff is causing it to go a bit astray, if anything it’s peaked/peaking IMHO.

What are the households like? That’s a difficult one.

Are there many single mothers? Enough to go around.

Do people tend to stay married there? Up until a couple of years ago people HAD to stay married here. Divorce laws have been introduced, but are quite restrictive. Not that lots of people don’t get ‘separated’, or just stay unhappily married.

Do people have many children, or just one or two? Nowadays one or two. (I think we ignore the pope when it comes to contraception

Is there alot of crime? Our fair share, but violent crime bears no comparison to a country where anybody can walk into a shop and buy a gun.

What do you do with your old people? Do they go to seniors homes, or live with relatives? Both, depends on the old person.

What do poor people do for health care? Is there medicare or something? A national health service, which isn’t the best, or the worst.

Do alot of women work outside the home? There has been a big increase in this, it’s an integral part of the economic boom thing.

What is the education system like? Pretty good. Free education up to degree level, college entry based on a final national exam. (Though that doesn’t mean everybody can afford to send their kids to college though).

Do kids take alot of garbage classes, or do they stress the 3r’s? In school there’re very few garbage classes, though it is possible to take an extra year to do non-academic (is that what you mean by garbage?) courses. Mostly it’s stuff like mathematics, English, Irish, French, , other European languages, sciences (including evolution!), History, Geography, and erm, religion.

Do kids go to daycare there? or is there no need? Daycare? Kindergarten? Montessori? That kind of thing. Some do.

How pervasive is the conflict between the catholics and the protestants? is it only in the bigger centers? or all over? I’ll leave that one to another thread, probably in the pit.

What do Irish kids but at the store for a treat? Chocolates (candy), crisps (potato chips), Doritos (Doritos)

What do you watch on tv? American and British and Irish TV programmes (often, but not necessarily in that order).

What kind of card games do you play? Um, poker? Gin rummy? Bridge? Tell you what, you deal.

Dang just previewed and saw I was beaten to it, I’ll post this unedited anyway.

Lovely part of the country.

Lowest would be about -5, highest about 26 or 27 celcius

yes, Its a beautiful sight to be in one of our national parks, but it is incredibly annoying trying to drive through the piles of leaves.

Irish drink a lot of alcohol, per capita I think we are about 3rd place world wide or so (behind france, anyway) Our beer is Cold. And true guinness is served by a 70 year old man (or his 20 yr old Granddaughter) in a tiny family pub. mmmm, guinness.

Absolutely. A whole lot of factors have lead to the “Celtic Tiger” economy we have at the moment, from the Devaluation of the pound in 1992 to the tax initatives to bring big business. Technology has taken off over here. We’re second in the world to Silicon Vally in terms of software and chip production.

Usual, nowadays its the usual 2.4 children in a family, but that is relatively recent in development. Ireland had its Baby boom in the 60’s and 70’s. We have single mothers, and there is the usual complaints about that, but thats another thread. As for Marriages, we only got Divorce legalized about 4 years ago. to quote Dennis Leary “We’re about to colonize Mars, and Ireland just votes divorce in”

Yes,and no. Crime rates are dropping, but Gun related crime isn’t a big thing, thanks to our gun control laws. True, they are on the increase, but thats more a sign of the times. Someone getting Shot is still big news over here.

Make pet food.
no seriously, Ireland has a fairly decent OAP policy. State care and private care are pretty adequate.

free health care for the unemployed and for those in certain wage brackets. private visits are pretty expensive, but, it beats the waiting rooms. Ireland has currently a shortage of nurses and doctors, so if you want to come here and be a nurse, please do!

There has been a huge boom in this in the last 20 yrs or so. Up until recently our constitution stated that Women could best Aid Ireland’s cause by being good housewives. It has since been amended.

One of the best in Europe. Our student have the option to leave school at 16 (junior cert level), but the vast majority stay on for 2 more years to finish High School. At the end of that they sit their Leaving Certificate. their marks on that determine their course in college.

Daycare over here is largely private, Montesorri teaching.

“The Troubles” have mainly been confined to the 6 counties in Ulster that are part of the United Kingdom. It has not been as bad lately as in the past. A media view over thae last 20 years has only looked at the bad aspects, I suppose. Things are improving, and there is a very good chance for lasting peace with the current mecanisms in place. We live in hope.

Crank. :wink:
Most of our candy is European i.e. Mars, Nestle etc. although the biggest selling company would be Cadbury. beautiful. McDonalds also are pimping their grease over here. as with Burger King.

We get a lot of American and British programmes, Friends, Simpsons, whatever Fox is trying to push at the moment really. We also have homegrown programmes, buit very few are exportable.

I play a mean hand of Poker, but always end up broke.
Tell me everything~its as close to a visit as I am gonna get.

Thanks :frowning:

Now the need to see Ireland has changed from an ache to a throbbing pain.

I spoke to Mom, and I am gonna take over the family tree research from where she stopped. She isnt much for technology, and when she hit Ireland immigrants, that was it for her, but I will find my family over there, so help me god.

I want to move there. I have for a long time. I have no urge to see england, or france, or Greece (well, maybe the ruins) but I have wanted to live in Ireland for a long time.

I couldnt possibly leave my family though, not with my Mom’s cancer. But someday, when everyone is taken care of, maybe…
How can I miss a place I have never seen?

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*Originally posted by TwistofFate *
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Of course cold is a relative term…I think it is more acurately described as cellar temperature NOT ice cold like they serve America piss beer…yuck

Hi kellibelli sorry about your mum :frowning:

You questions have pretty much been answered but I’ll just bang on about Ireland for a while.

As said there are 2 Irelands. Dublin and the rest. I’m from Dublin and a dub. thru and thru. Dublin is like any big city really 1.5m people some very rich some very poor. Homeless people sleeping in doorways and beggars etc. There is a thriving pub culture here and a lot of Americans/Canadians are surprised at how much we actually go drinking. The social centre of a lot of people is the local bar. Some of the poorer communities are very close knit and tend to look after themselves. This is starting to die a bit as modern selfishism starts to seep into our culture.

There is a high level of education(not to say there aren’t a lot of morons aswell) and usually it’s easy to find a good conversation. Dublin is steeped in History and has a lot of great places to visit. My favourite place to visit is Kilmainham jail. It was here that the British held political prisoners and were they killed the signatories of the declaration of independence in 1916. It is very moving for me to stand were people like Padraig Pearse and James Connely were shot for fighting for my freedom.

Anyhoo, when you leave Dublin you see the real Ireland. I love going to the country but being a city person always like returning to my concrete jungle. Travelling around Ireland is great fun. The beautiful green countryside and great views are a sheer joy. The people are on the whole more open that Dubliners and the craic(fun) is great in the local bars. You can usually find a session of traditional music on somewhere and just sit there having a Guinness while listening to a reel of two. Sing-songs are abound and anybody who wants to join in can. Places that are highly recommended are , The ring of Kerry, Galway and Donegal.

Well that’s my wandering post over with. I hope you make it over here at some stage, even if it’s just for a short break. Remember the tradition of us Irish dopers meeting the wandering ones is well and truly set in stone now. So just let us know and we’ll sort something out. :slight_smile:

Hope everything works out for you.

I’ll say. They’re even importing German, Danish, Dutch, English, Canadian, and American morons now :smiley:

Wow, Dublin is two times the size of Amsterdam, I had no idea. I live in a village!

My two favorite places in Ireland:

  1. a pub session at Mother RedCaps in Dublin, Christmas Eve day…lots of fiddling…singing…drinking with strangers…great craic

  2. Slea Head on the Dingle Peninsula…unbelievable beauty . The Ring of Kerry is more famous…but after driving on the Dingle, the Ring seemed to not be as memorable (although still lovely)

my only regret is that we never made it to the north…especially Donegal and Sligo

Two sets of my great-grand parents came via the ole’ boat from Ireland. I have all the information from my father’s grandfather, the town he was born, and a few names of my grandfather’s cousins over there. (after great-grandmother died, grandfather and sisters were sent back to the old country to live with family while great-grandfather got his shit together) If I have the village my great-grandfather was born in, is there any internet phone directories I can consult to find out if any of the remaining cousins are still alive? (there’s a story there. It’s rumored my great-aunt is actually a love child. Long story.) My dad’s birthday is approaching, I’d love to give him some information.

There is no on-line directory but if you want to give me a name and place via e-mail or on this thread I’ll be glad to go to the post office and get any no.'s for that name and area.

It’s a bit touristy but there are lots of pics. and info. on this page.

http://www.iol.ie/~discover/welcome3.htm

Swiddles: Often the local church (parish) in Ireland has some of the best family history…a fire in Dublin in the early part of the century burned a lot of the govt family records.

A pretty good list of Irish genealogy links can be found here http://home.i1.net/~theshaws/page3.htm#GENEALOGY

Angkins brother has traced their family back to Tipperary too!!!

We might even be related.

So I guess me & her uncle, and her & my brother was probably kinda incestous. ewwwwwwww

mmmm, 20 yr old Granddaughter and Guinness, what more could a man want?

You’re showing your good taste in pubs beagledave :slight_smile:

Those would be considered the west rather than the north (especially Sligo) … “the north” has other connotations here :slight_smile:

I know I say this all the time but you should try and get to Belfast next time you’re over. It’s such an amazingly different place from its reputation (well parts of it are anyway …) Next week I will find out if the same can be said about Derry.