I think it’s pretty fucking awesome.
What’s your point?
Did any of you ever notice also that Wayne didn’t use a period correct revolver in lots of his westerns? The Undefeated and Rio Bravo are two fine examples of this. Both movies started during The Civil War (1861-1865) and there Wayne was shortly after the war riding into town or on the range with his 1873 Colt Single Action Army strapped on. In that perspective I have to say hats off to Clint Eastwoon. He did bother to use period correct weapons.
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Huh. No, I never noticed that. Kinda funny, I guess. That sort of thing is better controlled these days.
Still, take El Dorado: that movie has better continuity, in terms of counting the number of shots fired, than many later movies. (1993’s Tombstone is particularly noteworthy for the three shots fired from the double-barreled shotgun.)
John Wayne’s movies, especially those at the height of his career (also the height of his weight and waistline, alas) were more accurate than a great many movies.
Still, amusing to know they slipped up and put the wrong guns in his hands.
Wayne fired way too many in some of his flicks also. True about Val Kilmer’s performance in Tombstone. He also fired way too many with his revolvers also. In Last Man Standing, Bruce Willis fired too many shots with the Colt 911 Autos he was packing. And Banderas dancing on a bar while being shot at was absolutely ridiculous. lol
Also one of those long barreled cap and ball revolvers would not have been easy to handle in the trademark gunbelt Wayne wore in most of his later movies.
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What about Lynn Swann? He studied ballet. He was also MVP of Super Bowl X, and has four SB rings. Would anyone call him a sissy? I don’t think so. (If anything, his training in dance helped him in his football career – ever see that guy on the field?)
And Chuck Norris is a douchebag. I can think of plenty of dudes who can kick his ass.
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This board is much more heavily moderated than most, and what you’re doing now is going beyond the rules. These types of comments are usually made to deliberately make others angry, so don’t make them.
Secondly, this is a topic about a fight between two figures, Wayne being one of them, it’s not a “John Wayne hate thread”. If you want to make one of those on your own, feel free, but stop filling this topic with posts that crap against the original post.
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I assume you’re not talking about the 60s Leone films when you mention Eastwood films being correct, because almost everything was wrong with them, from a period point of view. Wrong weapons, wrong breed of horses, the geography was wrong, they were set in towns that didn’t exist at the time - and yet they’re some of the greatest films ever made.
Certainly the films Eastwood directed are better, along with the Peckinpah films from the same period, but historical accuracy has never been one of the main concerns of Westerns for the most part. Or most other films, really.
Another hijack: as I said earlier,I have no idea which Hollywood tough guys are genuinely tough, and which ones are just good at playing tough guys on screen.
IF John Wayne wasn’t really a tough guy, so what? Humphrey Bogart was a rich kid who grew up on Park Avenue, but spent his career playing thugs and gangsters. Henry Fonda wasn’t really the doting Dad and devoted family man he often played in movies. Montgomery Clift was gay, and didn’t really love the women he pretended to seduce. Does anyone hold that against them?
So what? They were ACTORS! It was all make-believe!
Now, one Hollywood tough guy who really DID grow up fighting was James Cagney, who was born and raised on Manhattan’s Lower East Side. He spent much of his youth getting into brawls. But when he finally became a star, he wasn’t interested fighting any more! He’d worked his butt off to become a success so he could get OUT of the Lower East Side, and didn’t see any point in continuing to engage in dick-measuring contests.
When he met “fans” who wanted to test how tough he was, Cagney learned tact, diplomacy, humor and charm. If some Marine approached the famous “thug” Cagney, and said, " bet I can kick your ass," Cagney probably COULD have knocked him out! But he didn’t WANT to! He’d charm the guy, buy hi9m a drink, and make a friend instead of an enemy.
REAL tough guys aren’t always looking for a chance to slug somebody.
Joh Wayne was a Hollywood tough guy only. Norris would have taken him easily. During WW II, Wayne chose to stay home and play with his doll collection.
This is the only thing you thought to post in two years? You’re a sad man.
And I bet Wayne’s dolls were GI Joe with the Kung Fu grip.
Wayne played football at USC so we can speculate that he was at least fit and tough. He played at USC so we can speculate that he was also dumb.
Norris won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion title in Nov. 1968, which he held for six consecutive years. Norris was given Fighter of the Year award, 1969 by Black Belt magazine.
Duke Wayne?? Uh. What did he do athletically?
I guess if we’re talking screen characters then yes Duke played some genuine tough guys. He was a much better actor and starred in higher production films.
So, assuming each in their prime, Chuck could have kicked John’s ass. So what?
Chuck’s characters could probably kick Wayne’s characters asses, too. Even Rooster Cogburn, or Big Jake. They didn’t use martial arts in the old west, just slugged it out like Real Men ™, so Chuck has the advantage.
But I know whose movies I’d rather watch.
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Just re-watched McClintock – the one with the fight in the mud pit. Doggone, that’s a fun fight! Absolutely no “science” to the brawling, just flailing and haymakers.
Agreed…but some of that isn’t Chuck’s fault. Big John had a mystique and a following and studio backing, and much better writers.
One “thought experiment” is to try to imagine the two switching roles. Norris in The Quiet Man, and Wayne as Walker, Texas Ranger. Norris still loses…but not by quite as large a margin.
I could see Norris probably doing OK in Hatari, or She Wore A Yellow Ribbon (as long as he shaves the beard), and I liked Wayne in Brannigan (and to a lesser extent, McQ) for the Walker comparison. But Wayne was really too old by then for Walker (and, really, for Brannigan, too). But it’s Wayne or nobody in The Shootist, because that movie is Wayne.
I couldn’t see Norris in something like Big Jake or True Grit (unless he had the Glenn Campbell part…) and Wayne in Norris’ early martial arts heavy actioners just doesn’t work at all. Norris could do OK in They Were Expendable.