Wow.
How about on a board that supposedly has a strong interest in fighting ignorance?
Do you know where the words in italics came from?
I didn’t ask what you would do. I asked if the statement was correct.
Yes, that seems very possible.
Considering how this debate is going, do you think you are being more effective fighting ignorance or damaging your public image?
I’d say they later, which is why I’d let it go. It’s not a thread where people are really concerned about the facts. The issue is no one really wants to debate the subject, it’s mud slinging, you’re just getting dirty playing along. It probably belongs in the pit where people can just express their outrage and move on.
If the facts are truly important to you I’d start a thread in Great Debates or something, where there is a real expectation of cites. Doubt you’ll find many participants though.
And from my answer, what do you think I think?
If I would do something, do you think that something is, in my opinion, *right *or wrong?
As usual, he has no clue what he’s blathering on about. He never does.
And now the thread has become completely monopolized by the ridiculously pointless rules-lawyering of one who has no desire to have actual reasoned discourse, but instead to just derail everyone else because their opinions counter his beliefs. So as such, I’m bailing on this circus. Hopefully those who are still fighting the good fight on topic will forgo any more diversionary tactics.
I just want to say that I put “bloviating pettifogger” into a Google search and this thread is the first thing that came up. I’m not entirely sure what that means, but it’s probably not good.
To be fair to Bricker, I don’t think he’s defending Duggar. Just playing lawyer and semantics Nazi like he always does. It gets really old after awhile, dude.
Oh, and aceplace57, this is for you.
Do you notice that NOBODY IS ACCUSING HIM OF BEING AN ARSONIST? Nobody is leveling “any accusation whatsoever” against him. Nobody has accused him of eating babies or of kicking puppies or of ghost-writing Fifty Shades of Gray or of eating the last doughnut and leaving the box on the table or of being the true identity of Jack the Ripper.
People have accused him of believing one of the things that his cult leader espouses, a thing that is very commonly associated with a belief that women and girls must focus on extreme modesty in their dress in order not to inflame men.
No, he’s just running the Bricker show, taking it on the road. How it’s not thread shitting, is beyond me. Why anyone continues to engage when he takes over discussions like this is also beyond me.
Do yourselves a favour and save your breath. He ain’t got nothing new to say, it’s just the same old endless lawyering and nitpicking of trivialities and purposeful misinterpretations. It ruins so many discussions by bringing them to a grinding halt, seemingly so we can all admire his lawyering abilities. :dubious:
I reported it for thread shitting several pages ago, but got no response from the mods.
This thread is Pit material and belongs there. Even without the insults and snipes between posters, it’s pretty clear that Josh Duggar is the subject of a Pit thread.
The claim I made was not at all extraordinary or exaggerated. I have been watching the Duggars for over 10 years. I have heard Jim Bob and Michelle say over and over that modesty is one of their most important beliefs. I can’t recall a single show in 10 years where that fact wasn’t mentioned.
“A woman must keep modest so that she doesn’t stir up feelings in a man that cannot be righteously fulfilled” I have heard that phrase so many times, it’s burned into my brain. That phrase puts all the responsibility for the man’s actions squarely on the woman’s shoulders.
When they are out in public and one of the sisters sees a woman immodestly dressed she yells “Nike”! (a code word they agreed upon), all the men and boys then cast their eyes down to their shoes.
So yes, they do think that the actions of the man are the fault of the woman.
The thread was critical of a child molester, but it was hardly a pit thread. Why not just correct the thread-shitter?
Nm
She’s a Duggar, she doesn’t go to an actual school. And at 17, she’s already being primed for marriage if not married yet.
This has been hard for me to watch. I never paid much attention to the show. I knew what it was about and while it wasn’t for me, I have a lot of friends who enjoy it. I even defend the mom a lot because if we are demanding women have rights to make reproductive choices she has the right to have as many as she can care for. More even, and it’s not any of my business.
But my little girl. Many of you know she was raped by three pre-teen boys. They stalked her. They watched to see when there might be a chance. They pretended to be her friend, her big brother even. Then one day they held her down and violated her and stole her innocence. She thought she was going to die. Its been four years now and she still has nightmares. She still clings to me and therapy, while helpful, ain’t a miracle. I do fear for her future. So fucking stop pretending that this was a case of “boys will be boys” because it’s not. Defending this sick shit doesn’t make you extra good at debate. It doesn’t make you come off as smarter than the pack. It just makes you sound like a clueless asshole who gets off on arguing more than considering the reality of the situation.
I mean, I know you like your show and I get that they’re Christians so this is a “sensitive issue” for believers. But the shit I’ve seen? It’s disgusting. Excusing his actions I can ALMOST understand because as a young person someone else should have been chaperoning his alone time activities. Especially after it happened. But we know they didn’t protect their girls. We know they let him come home and they had to be around him. It would be like me allowing those rapists to come back and play with my daughter because aw shucks boys will be boys and it’s only natural or them to stick their fingers in little girls’ panties, right?
Sick.
If you’ve got Jesus, your life will never be ruined. Faith isn’t supposed to help you get through the good times…when you’re mugging on TV and everyone loves you. It’s supposed to strengthen in you in bad times. Surely these Christian warriors expected that their star would eventually fall. So don’t weep for them too much, ace.
Besides, being forgiven does not mean you don’t have to face consequences for your actions. There are plenty of people sitting in jail right now who are repentant too.
Now, I do think it is a shame that youthful malfeasance can follow a person into their adulthood. The way those kids are raised, it’s no wonder a teenaged boy would feel he could get away with what he did. But if a person is going to capitalize on his wholesome, moral righteousness as Josh has done as an adult, he needs to be rather open about his bad history too. Christians love them some “come to Jesus” stories, so such honesty wouldn’t have been a career-destroying move necessarily. Maybe if Josh had disclosed his sordid history and had testimony on how he overcame his demons (not literally), then maybe he and his parents wouldn’t come across as such two-faced hypocrites.
Rusheekgirl, I am sincerely sorry to read your story, and wish your daughter well.