She doesn’t, though. The whole cult is predicated on the notion that the husband is the God of the house. He takes all the decisions and everybody else have to go with his wishes. I’ve never watched the show and I have no idea whether or not Mrs. Duggar wants to be a farm chicken or not, in her heart of hearts. Her religious views rob her of that decision anyway.
One of the worst things that I’ve ever heard Michelle say is that the wife must always be available to her husband sexually, and must never say no.
It’s tempting to make a joke, but it’s too fucking sad,* since it’s real life.*
Still catching up on the thread, but so far:
This is generally true for casual people of faith, but fundamentalist cults are known for their strict adherence to the tenants from their leader/faith. And this is true for Josh, having to resign a Executive Director of the FRC, saying,
Those admissions from the source tells me he was in absolute alignment of all their teachings, and by all reason, his parents too.
Objection.
Knowing the odds, snake-eyes is a reasonable assumption but not a likely outcome. Those two go hand-in-hand. We know, also, that rolling a seven is not only a reasonable assumption, but the most likely roll.
In this way, your analogy would imply that the most likely verdict, according to the odds (circumstantial evidence) is that the girls were, in fact, counseled to believe they were partly to blame, as this was in line with the parent’s belief and strong participation in the church’s agenda.
You’re strongly advocating the rare chance the parent’s rolled snake-eyes, when according to evidence, both circumstantial and factual, it was most likely a seven.
Don’t you just love it that he still calls what he did a youthful mistake rather than a perverted sexuality?
ETA: and he’s more concerned about the damage he did to “the cause” rather than the damage he did to the girls.
It’s like the Adrian Peterson apologists insisting on the word “discipline” to describe whipping your four year old until his scrotum bleeds. This meme is that he made “mistakes” as a “young teen,” as if repeatedly molesting your sisters is along the lines of skipping school or smoking weed. What people in both camps have in common is no feeling for a victim, a child who has been abused. They only care about the poor man who has come under criticism.
Michelle Dugar has blogged and spoken about “defrauding,” the idea that girls and women who dress immodestly are responsible for the lustful desires they awaken in men. It’s pretty hard to argue that with such beliefs, and absent any evidence to the contrary, that had she ever spoken frankly about rape, she would kind of sort of think maybe sometimes the woman had it coming.
His job is, apparently, Defending the Guilty, and that requires the skill to make one juror believe “beyond reasonable doubt” means “absolutely true, no ifs, ands, or buts,” and vote for acquittal because there is the slightest possibility that a defendant, whose guilt has been laid out in precise and exquisite detail, might not have done it. Maybe he defends rapists and drunk drivers, but his finely honed ability to obfuscate and his lack of conscience say he’s in corporate law.
I read a book about the Quiverfull movement not too long ago (of which the Duggars not only belong to but are practically the poster children!) and between them and the Pearls I didn’t know whether to laugh, cry or vomit.
Michelle seems like the biggest kool-aid drinker of them all. Watching the show I get the impression that having babies is a competition to her (a competition she was winning until that darned changing-of-the-seasons). She appears to lose interest in them once they’ve stopped breastfeeding and her last baby was born life-threateningly premature. Yet she still talks about wanting more. It’s insane.
Ah yes, the Pearls and “To Train Up A Child”. Probably the only good thing to come of them having the cameras around nearly 24/7, is that the younger kids were most likely spared the “training” that the older kids had to endure.
And here’s some more info on one of the home-schooling curriculums the Duggars use.
But we don’t have photographic proof of Michelle Duggar reading out of that exact copy of the curriculum to her children during a home schooling session, therefore we can’t definitively say that it’s one that the Duggars use!!!1!
The whole program is run by a sexual predator. What really sickens me…I was at one of those ATI conferences and probably less than a 100 feet away when Gothard was picking one of his girls. I read her story on Recovering Grace and the whole thing was just disgusting. I’m so glad our family got away from that program.
A photograph? That’s not good enough! We would need a video and notarized affidavits from all present to really know for sure.
A photograph. Pshaw.
Video?
Affidavits?!
No, no, no. The only way to to know with certainty is to invent time travel, go back to those nights, and observe him in the act.
And don’t forget the Maxwells, Lori Anderson or, gah, I forget the other woman that drives me insane… the one whose daughter escaped with the help of her grandparents, yet it’s all about how betrayed she is and how horrific it is. They’re all the most hateful, abusive things I’ve ever seen.
Well, then we could certainly speculate on the likelihood of the event having happened.
One wonders then: When, where, and how do they all bathe?
Hoooold your horses, chief. Before we can even get to that perilous stage, we must first clearly define what constitutes an “event”, then carefully examine the nature of time and reality itself to determine whether or not anything can be said to “happen” or “have happened”.
Clearly, like everything else in such a household, it is done in a regimented and scheduled manner.