Um, ACE? It was not A mistake, it was repetitive actions. Read for comprehension, OK?
Talk to anyone in child development – they will tell you that some forms of curiosity are normal, and others, like feeling up your baby sister, are absolutely not normal, not youthful indiscretions, not misdeeds of a teen, but signs of serious trouble that need to be treated. The Duggars did NOT seek treatment, they did some random things that now look like an effort to stall so the molestations were too far back to prosecute.
More importantly, as others have noted, nobody seems to have then, or now, been curious about how those girls are dealing with this.
That’s a legitimate reason to doubt their credibility, of course. But it certainly doesn’t justify a baseless claim. The Duggars could be the mayor of Liartown; that doesn’t license a commentator to make inaccurate claims about them.
That’s not accurate. I step into threads, and start threads, when inaccurate accusations are leveled against liberals. It’s true that I do this rarely, but on the SDMB, it happens comparatively rarely that liberals are the victims of baseless attacks.
I don’t follow the thread you mention, but even if I did, your proposed demonstration misses the boat. I’d certainly speak up if I disagreed with the attack, but why would I adopt a position I didn’t agree with in order to defend a liberal idea?
They reported it to someone who was supposed to be, by law, bound to report this to CPS, and didn’t because he was a friend of the family. And they successfully covered it up till the statue of limitations expired.
Tough on crime? Family values? What is Huckabee thinking coming out in support of these people?
I don’t know exactly what you’re looking for here. Michelle and Jim Bob live their lives by Gothard rules. What he says is law to them. What he believes, they believe.
Sure it is. But Honey imputed to them a position that is not part of the faith they evangelize. It may, or may not, be a view held by one person that shares that faith and is an influential teacher thereof. But it’s certainly not a core tenet.
As an example, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops teaches that the country should reject same-sex marriage laws. I believe that same-sex marriage is a wise choice for states to legislate.
If you concluded, from the USCCB position and my Catholicity that I disfavored same-sex marriage, you’d be wrong.
Do you understand?
Oh.
So, perfect. Do you have a cite for THAT claim? What Gothard believes, they believe – what’s your proof of that claim?
Theirs is not a cafeteria-style faith like yours.
Somebody linked to the Gothard guide to counseling victims of sexual abuse above. It is likely that this is the sort of counseling Josh’s victim received.
Why are we arguing with Bricker? Why should we assume that the Duggars are actually feminists, advocates for child rights, who buried their son’s history of molestation DESPITE their real beliefs, rather than take this quacking, waddling, billed thing for what it is? Please go open your lawyer thread somewhere else and good luck with that noble venture.
What do you mean by, “Cafeteria style?”
Their faith isn’t one where followers can have this and not that and they’ll TRY this but there’s no way they’re paying for that. This is one of those restaurants where you agree to the whole menu, soup to nuts, no substitutions.
I don’t know why we’re doing that either. It really is largely a waste of time.
My personal bet was a reference by him to Lena Dunham which seems to be the way many conservatives are handing this mess.
The Duggars lunatic beliefs are not exactly hidden. They are religious fanatics with deeply antediluvian viewpoints. They hold sexist views of women, promote hatred against gays and espouse backwards ideas about issues such as evolution. Worse, they hold the belief that they should be allowed to force those views on others who do not share them. The sight of them finally being given the rightful mocking they deserve in the mainstream media is deeply satisfying to most rational people.
Besides that, there’s no compelling reason to believe they are, despite their words and actions, actually radical feminists.
Last comment was meant to piggyback on my previous one; I am in 100% agreement with Lavender.
Why is it likely?
See, here’s the thing about fighting ignorance: it involves asking what the factual basis for claims is.
I’m sorry to rain on your parade, in which the theme is that accusations against disliked targets are immune from the need for accuracy, but the fact is that you don’t get to make these sorts of unchallenged claims. And when called on it, you don’t seem to understand that merely repeating uncited claims does not lend them credence.
Rightful mocking is fine, and I don’t object in the least to it.
Mocking that rests on false claims is not rightful.
Looks like 19 Kids and Counting is being replaced with The Bricker Show.
I said Josh’s teenage behavior was abhorrent and deviant. I wish the juvenile courts would have heard the case. He would have been ordered into long term counseling and therapy.
I just can’t condem an Adult for something they did in childhood. That goes against everything our modern juvenile courts stand for. They even seal juvenile court records when the kid turns 18. Giving them a fresh start in life as an adult. How they use that second chance is up to them. Some troubled kids spend their adult lives in and out of prison. Some live responsible and productive lives. It’s important they aren’t stigmatized and condemned as adults for something they did as a juvenile. Getting a job for example, or joining the military. Their childhood court records are sealed for a reason.
I’m pretty sure child services will be interviewing Josh’s family. They’ll want to interview his kids and make sure nothing inappropriate has transpired. If he is an adult pedo then sadly they will find evidence. I hope for his kid’s sake that Josh today is a normally adjusted adult. But child protective services needs to investigate and confirm the welfare of his family.