Josh has spent his adult life with an organization that wants to demand we all live under his idiotic brand of religious stupidity. Fuck him.
Bolding mine. And, no thank you!
It could have been worse. I could have written fuck Michelle Duggar . . . passes Baker the brain bleach.
Did anyone see the episode of “Say Yes to the Dress” in which Michelle and Jim-Bob and some of the family appeared? The folks were renewing their vows and since their first wedding had been so simple Michelle was getting a fancy dress. Of course it had sleeves and a high neckline, and I have no problem with that. But when her female consultant showed Michelle to the changing room she insisted on being alone to dress herself, on account of her “modesty”. This from a woman who’s had nineteen children and is no stranger, I’m sure, to having a doctor looking up her hoo-ha.
Phil ROBINSON said some pretty vile things…but that’s in no way equivalent to out right molestation.
Most “horny teens” don’t molest their sisters, or anyone else for that matter. I don’t care how many erections he got – he could deal with it the way the vast majority of teenagers do and spank it.
And his so-called “apology” seemed more self-serving than anything else. Did you read what he said?
“I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life,” said Duggar. “I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life.”
HIS life. He asked CHRIST to forgive him. Not his victims. He didn’t stop because he was afraid of the harm he might be doing to other people. He was afraid because of what it might to do HIM. Fuck him.
Oh for JOSH. That’s nice. What about his sisters? Poor, poor Josh. He just made a mistake! Fuck him.
And IIRC, didn’t Josh equate homosexuals with pedophiles? FUCK HIM.
If You’re Defending Josh Duggar, You’re the Problem
You know nothing about fundamentalist life. It’s all about shaming others and keeping appearances. Why do you think there’s so many pastors that are felled by gay indiscretions? Because they have to appear straight to world, all the while wagging their fingers at everyone else for the same so-called deviant behavior they engage in. Similarly, that’s this family’s stock in trade. I bet there’s no way he couldn’t molested FIVE DIFFERENT GIRLS, four of which were HIS SISTERS, and then just went back to being normal because they prayed it away. No, that’s the story they share with gullible outsiders.
And I do like what someone observed about their “values”…
Kissing your future spouse before marriage? NO!
Molesting your sisters? YES!
No, Robertson is the family name.
But carry on.
No, it’s not. Fighting ignorance would mean finding contradictory evidence, not constantly asking for proof over things that are perfectly reasonable to believe. These are Quiverfull people–their beliefs are not unknown, and it’s reasonable to believe they believe what other Quiverfull people believe, unless they state otherwise.
You just seem to be incredulous that people could actually believe or practice these things, which is not a position from which to fight ignorance. You have no special understanding on this matter at all, unlike when you do this with legal issues.
You’re even challenging someone saying the word “likely,” hedging themselves because they know they don’t know for sure. That’s ridiculous.
I get that a conservative religious group being accused of covering up child molestation hits close to home for you. But what you are doing here is not fighting ignorance but being defensive.
My mistake. But I think the point still stands. Saying something homophobic is pretty bad, but it in no way compares to child molestation.
The story was less than 24 hours old. I think she just wanted some headlines about her.
This is a quote from Michelle Duggar from the most recent episode, which was an interview by Erica Hill. She was talking about dressing modestly.
Made the mistake of looking at Ray Comfort’s Facebook page and comments this morning…So, according to the logic employed by these people, it would be just fine to release imprisoned people – no matter how severe their crimes – as long as they’ve been forgiven by Jesus. >.<
Even if you truly believe that this guy has relented and found Jesus, I don’t understand how you can excuse the cover-up.
Because they believe that evil is something you are, not something you do. Crimes are no longer crimes if you get right with the Lord, see?
Yes, but that doesn’t seem to address sexual assault, which is not about sex but about power. Right?
Right, so her reasoning is flawed, self-hating and dangerous. Right?
Who could have foreseen that devoting hours and hours to weird, messed up families would backfire on these cable networks?
It’s quite a shame when reality intrudes on reality shows.
Guin, I’ve color-coded the contradiction in your post. However justified the rest of the post is, the contradiction kinda taints it, and makes the whole thing more easily attacked (or dismissed) by those who are inclined to do so.
Bricker, in my view, is generally honest enough to compartmentalize his objections to the specific contradiction, and not explicitly declare the entire post to be invalid (although he will allow his overall tone to invite the reader to do so); it might be wise to keep in mind that he’s not the ONLY person who might be motivated to nitpick the controversy to death.
My point is that with a little more care, you could avoid handing Bricker ammunition like the bit I pointed out above.
As for you, Bricker, while BigT’s comments in post 148 touched on it, I’d like to elaborate on a specific facet of your contributions to this thread. If we stipulate that every statement of condemnation leveled at young Master Duggar in this thread, and to which you have raised your objections is unproven, it still seems to me that unproven is the limit to the basis on which they can be legitimately impeached. And yet you freely and repeatedly* attack them as “inaccurate.”
I submit that “inaccurate” is a descriptor which can be applied to a statement only when the statement’s inaccuracy has been established. I’d be grateful if you would either walk back your claims of inaccuracy (and baselessness, if it’s not too much trouble), or instruct me in how my observations are inadequate to the situation. Thanks very much, and I hope you and your family are enjoying the holiday weekend. 
*Repeatedly: cite1, cite2
Well, a little bit of good news. The producer of the show claims the camera crews have left the Duggar home and whether or not they return has not been determined.