As a sidenote, you can believe what I say now, because I now have nothing to lose. Once this whole thing is explained to everyone’s satisfaction I’m leaving the board permanently.
FF will correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he has a girlfriend there and he is planning to move there. Internet relations can be good (as we’ve seen a few times on these boards), but they can be pretty fucked up and potentially dangerous as well.
This is, unfortunately, true. I felt that people wouldn’t think so badly of me if they knew the truth. But I couldn’t tell them the truth, I knew that people would only get more worked-up over this (obviously, I was right). So I gave a different reason to dislike her. I knew it was wrong, I did it anyway. Sorry.
I had full intent of leaving this one lie, like, for instance, a possum carcass on the side of the road. I didn’t want to touch it. There was no telling what kind of nastiness lay within.
However, I have to take issue now, especially since the integrity of the OP has been sullied, if that is indeed possible.
I fail to see how changing this detail could be related to privacy.
In my view, this is called PREMEDITATION. Indeed, this was cruel, and unusual. Your place in life is not to levy punishment on those you feel have wronged others. Superman called. He wants his outfit back. Says he’s pissed.
Lo, the highwayman! This is frightening to me, even. I am a man who can defend himself quite adeptly. Still, if someone were stalking me so evidently, I would be scared, wondering if I would have to defend my life instead of my wallet.
Other statements you have made indicate that you do not much care whether the board community feels you went too far. This appears, in my limited scope, to be a bit of schoolyard bragging, and is detestable.
Fabrication of detail is not among my brownie point generators. I will leave it at that.
I do not believe that anything you did had any effect on her. You horrified her, which had no relation to her actions. This is akin to rubbing a dog’s nose in a pile of feces because it barked.
I do not feel that any apology, whether to us, the victim, or to yourself, can be construed as valid even in the most rudimentary terms, as long as you have the blaring conflict detailed in those two sentences.
I think what Cnote was trying to say was that he didn’t believe me anymore about my girlfriend in Sweden. But no, I’m not going over there anymore, now she’s coming here. In fact, I was going to give an update about that in MPSIMS, but for reasons I’m sure you already know, that isn’t gonna happen.
I resent your implication. I would never hurt someone I love. No matter how many times she has, and will, hurt me.
Sounds like a fine romance in the making. Good luck. I now can certainly see why the Swedish Immigration Service was somewhat reluctant about granting you access to the European Union.
Coldfire,
I know he say’s he has a gal lined up in Sweden, I’m saying I think that’s bullshit too.
What the Fuck are we suppose to believe?
Freak, I never could nail it down, but I know now why I dislike you- Your full of shit.
It’s nice to see I’m a good judge of character, even over the internet.
FreakFreely:
I’m kind of enjoying this thread as it develops.
First, you stalked and terrorized some woman because, as far as you were concerned, she was a smug, self-satisfied yuppie bitch.
When it turned out that that most of the people on the board felt that her being a yuppie wasn’t sufficient justification for what you did, you turned her into a racist as well.
When that didn’t go down well, you turned her into an abusive parent.
What next? She’s a convicted murderer, too?
I’m kind of hoping we eventually find out the truth. If I could lay down some money on this, I would bet that your original story was closest to the truth. I suspect that you’re a disaffected 19-year-old, and all these smug, self-satisfied yuppies gall you half to death. So you thought it was funny to put one of them in her place. (I’m assuming that the detail of the chequebook was made up–I think the whole stalking thing was just an out-and-out prank that you invented one afternoon on the bus on the spur of the moment.) And I’m assuming that you were a little taken aback to find that the other posters didn’t share your disdain of yuppies, so you had to keep piling on the details to make this woman more and more reprehensible in everyone else’s eyes.
Basically, I’m betting you just pulled a spur-of-the-moment mean prank on a yuppie. 19-year-old kids do that stuff sometimes, not really realizing how insane it looks in other’s people’s eyes. “Hey, check it out! There was a nice Mercedes sitting on the street, and no one was around, so I scratched the hell out of it with my keys! Those rich bastards deserve it!” And then you were foolish enough to brag about it on a message board, hoping to be lauded as some kind of hero of the class wars–some kind of vigilante Robin Hood defending the honor of the oppressed classes.
That’s my guess. Unfortunately, we’ll probably never know what really happened.
I fail to see how changing this detail could be related to privacy.
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Now that I think about it, neither do I. But at the time it seemed like I had to make it look like more of a coincidence.
I know. I believe I said so myself with the “revenge is wrong” statement.
I’m not stalking her. I had my revenge, I was satisfied with it, and now I’m disgusted with it, and myself. I even apologized to her, which, I assure you, was hard to do.
Wrong. See, I DO care if the board feels I went too far, that was my reason for posting it in the first place. What I was trying to do was draw attention away from my reason for doing it.
No, it’s more like biting a dog because he bit another dog. I wasn’t trying to teach her a lesson, I was just trying to scare her, because I thought she deserved it.
There’s no conflict there. See, I think it was funny. Just as, if I dropped a water balloon on my brother’s head, I might feel bad about it afterwards, even if I still thought it was funny. There were a lot of people who responded by saying “That was funny, but you shouldn’t have done that.” I feel the same way as them.
First off, I do in fact dislike yuppies. But not enough to do anything to one of them.
Secondly, I never said she was an abusive parent (although I suppose that depends upon your opinion of what abusive is). And why would I be trying to make her look even worse when the majority of the people had already forgiven and forgotten?
By the way, how did you apologize to her? “You treated your daughter poorly, so I took it upon myself to stalk you and terrorize you”?
How do you apologize to someone after staring at them for 30 minutes aboard a bus and then following them through their neighborhood? And what was her response?
Just had to ask. I really am kind of enjoying seeing you squirm.
As I stated in that thread, the six months I’d have to wait has nothing to do with me. It’s a general processing period, nobody gets in in under six months.
And thank you for undermining my relationship with her simply to insult me. First you suggest that she would change her mind if she saw this thred. Then you suggest I might hurt her. Now this. And to think you were questioning my maturity.
Listen up, you’re not making valid points anymore, you’re just trying to hurt my feelings. Is that any better than lying?
As I said in the OP, it’s my neighborhood too. I didn’t explain why I did it, I didn’t even tell her that I did it intentionally. I just said “I’m sorry I scared you.” And she just shrugged and looked away.
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Can you not see the contradiction in this? It’s pretty obvious. “I’d like to know what you think of this, although I’m going to still feel the same was as I did before you knew.”
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No. If it were like biting a dog because it bit another dog, you would have performed the same unspeakable act to her as she did your friend. Unless, that is, the mother had stalked the daughter off of a bus, terrifying her. Either way, it is time for Analogies 101.
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You read literally. Figuratively speaking, the conflict lay within the opposing ideas. To wit: It was wrong, but I do not care, ha ha ha. This is an attitude you may frequently encounter in places such as PRISON, from large men named Spike who want to make you their little girl. I can see the dialogue already:
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FREAK to COLDFIRE –
Fuck yes, it’s better than lying! Christ on a crutch, you deserve everything you get in this thread and you know it. And I doubt very much Coldie was questioning your maturity; you’ve pretty must established exactly how “mature” you are.
But you will, apparently, take it upon yourself to terrorize a person you do not love and, in fact, do not really know. God help this girl should you ever cease to love her; the possible ways in which a “mature” stalker such as yourself might choose to punish her make my skin crawl.
Oh, and “I’m sorry I scared you” is an appropriate apology for someone you’ve unintentionally scared. It is meaningless bullshit for someone you scared on purpose. Just like if I ran you over with my car, on purpose, “Gee, I’m sorry I hit you!” would not begin to make up for it.
Please stop posting to this thread. You’re miniscule credibility is dwindling with every further “explanation” you give. Your actions were inexcusable and you know it, so do us all a favor and stop trying to excuse them.
Amen, Cynical!
It’s been a while since I tried to REALLY flame someone. Lessee if I still can do it…
Dude, I’m not undermining anything. You’re the one burning all possible bridges here. I’m not insulting you. You have insulted us all with your lies.
I’m merely suggesting that a woman whom you only know over the Internet might be interested in the fact that you are, oh, a fucking liar, besides being, say, a goddamn stalking idiot, deriving pleasure from other peoples fears. I know I would like to know that kind of shit about a person I was moving halfway across the globe for.
But sure, it’s my fault - if that’s what makes you feel better.
If she only slighlty resembles the normal women I encounter on a daily basis, she would change her mind, Freak. Believe it or not.
Read again: you just concluded that I suggested that. I merely suggested that Internet relations might be based on too little information. But your interpretation sure says a lot about the way your excuse for a brain works.
Freak, if anything, I am questioning the very fibre of your sanity, rather than maturity. Your immaturity has become readily apparent from this thread. As has your compulsive need to lie and cover up.
I’m not trying to hurt your feelings. I am hurting your feelings. And if done so unprovoked, that is indeed as bad as lying. But I may have been provoked, right?
Be wise, shut up, leave now. You cannot gain anything save aggrevation from this point onward.
I’ve got to give you one thing though: you really managed to live up to your username. Freak.
You know, I read about this same thing in my SO’s Abnormal Psychology book a few days ago. Pretty scary, but treatable (well, “controllable” is the correct term).
These latest revelations by you have been very cathartic for me, as SPOOFE and others had me doubting my initial response in here. Now I see I was, in fact, right in my judgement.
Man, I’m just going to sit back and wait for the capper to it all, which I’m sure will be forthcoming.
Wow - this is something. I remember all too well your sneering “Stop acting like a victim Una!” talk in chat, and your arrogant self-righteousness in so many threads. I guess it is very clear why you have the attitudes you do. They are the product of a hateful, misogynistic, class-warring, pathological liar. And to think, people actually told me “Don’t mess with Freak, he’s a respected poster”. I guess respect obviously comes cheap on this board for some.
Oh, and wherever is that dear Saysha? Where are you? Doesn’t Um’s want to come and admit something too? Come on, it’ll be cleansing!
So, pray tell, why did you feel the need to post your story in the first place? Did you not see yourself digging a big ol’ shithole of a coffin here?
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Obvious to you, yes. Look, I don’t know how I can explain it any better. When I think back on it, I don’t laugh. When I think back on it, I shudder a bit. But since I thought it was funny at the time, and since others thought so too, it must be funny.
“To wit: It was wrong, but I do not care, ha ha ha.”
No. It was wrong. I do care. I feel horrible that I would be capable of such a thing. But yes, it was funny in the sense that people would find it funny. If that logic doesn’t work for you, then there must be something wrong with my logic.
Freak, I do not even have the words right now to express how disgusted I am.
I could call you vile, despicable, depraved, and abhorrent. But you are worse than that.
You are a liar.
On this message board, all we have is our words, and the trust our words create. For example, I trust Coldfire and Satan to relate actual incidences with eloquent and exact vocabulary. Those are just two of many posters on this board whom I trust. If we all didn’t trust each other, then this board would be pointless.
Freak, you are a liar. You violated all of our trust. You are no better than a troll. You are actually worse than a troll. You expected a bunch of “You did a good job man!” responses and you didn’t get them. So you changed your story. That just intensified the flaming. So you changed the story again.
I’m sorry this has happened. Up to this point, I have respected you and your posts. And I’m not alone, I’m sure, in my disappointment of you. But, I will be ignoring you after this thread. I also think I’m not the only one who will be ignoring you from now on.
As a matter of fact, I hope you do us all a favor and simply leave right now. Come back later, after we have forgiven you for A)blatantly lying to us and B)Acting like a genuine jackass, imbecile, and cretin.
Maybe you should take a few months to re-evaluate yourself and mature before you come back. I’m sure once you can prove that you are truly fighting ignorance, and not contributing to the problem, we’ll be more than happy to welcome you.