I think I’m going to transfer this thread to the Pit. It’s grown a little too contentious for MPSIMS.
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This happened in the day time, on a busy street, in the suburbs (not to mention, I was dressed in office clothes, not a bunch of leather and spikes). We weren’t in some dark alley. The only thing that made this seem like a potential mugging/rape was her own paranoia.
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I do have reason to dislike this person. As I said in the OP, I’ve gotten dirty looks from her every time I ride the bus with her. When another passenger was short a quarter for bus fair and had the nerve to ask the ice-bitch, she looked at him (and treated him) like he was some shit that she scraped off her shoe.
Their exchange, word for word:
“Excuse me, miss, I’m a bit short on the bus fair, do you have a quarter?”
“Not for you.”
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The fact that she rides a bus doesn’t make her poor, the traffic is horrible here, and a lot of people take the bus whether they have to or not.
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If I had really been the asshole you guys seem to think I am, I would’ve just sold the credit cards. Or given them back to her at a price.
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I didn’t exactly think this through a whole lot. If I had, I probably wouldn’t have done it, partly because it was mean. Partly because she might have maced me, or something along those lines. Partly because I would’ve realized that she might see this as a possible rape, instead of just getting paranoid.
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I have to wonder if you guys would’ve reacted nearly so harshly if I had pulled this trick on a male.
Ted Bundy snatched two women out of a very busy state park during the day.
So, since she “gave you dirty looks” etc, this gives you permission to deliberately make her afraid (something you also admit doing) ??
Rich/Poor was never the issue to me. Characterising this woman as yuppie scum was.
The fact that you didn’t commit a felony, yea, that’s laudable, I guess. But, point of fact, I DID give you credit for that, just mentioned that you erased said credit by your subsequent actions.
obviously. We often regret things we do when we don’t consider them first.
it has been noted that women have reason to fear rape. That you played on this fear is what was objectionable.
I don’t think you’re a total asshole (this has been taken to the pit, right?) , but you ** asked ** for people to give their opinions on your behavior (“So, what say you?”). you got several saying “nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, good job, bro” and several others who were appalled. I think you acted without thinking, decided to do something mean to some one you felt was mean. I don’t think you intended serious harm there, but if nothing at all else, maybe next time, you won’t put yourself in a position of getting maced, eh?
I didn’t even read this untill the transfer to the Pit caught my eye.
Freak, that was a truely assholish thing to do. Not matter what sex your victim is. Your opinion on her (based on looks and three words) is completely irrelevant in this matter.
You should have given her the chequebook on the bus, immediately.
From FreakFreely-
Personally, I think you’d be too chickenshit to try it with a guy, the stalking, that is.
That’s the point, Freak. How many men do you know who live in the fear of being raped or becoming serial killer fodder?
I understand why you did what you did, but it was still way OTT. There is a good litmus test for situations like this: if you wouldn’t do it to your sister, don’t do it.
Perhaps she was looking at you and thinking, “This guy looks like an asshole. He’d probably fuck with me if he had the opportunity. I’d best not let down my defenses.” Lo and behold, you confirmed all of that for her, Freak. Congratulations, dick, you’ve proved to her that you are, in fact, an asshole. You’ve proved to her that “people like you” will fuck with anyone, given the opportunity. You’ve affirmed for her the need for defensive distrust of strangers, you stupid fuck.
On the bright side, you can now continue to fuck with this woman. From now on, she’ll be even more nervous and distrustful. If you steadily increase the severity of your little games, perhaps you can get her to shit her pant or commit herself for an anxiety disorder. Wouldn’t that be fucking funny? Heck, you could rape her or mug her one of these days, thus making her a permanent source of amusement for yourself by instilling in her a perpetual sense of fear, paranoia and suspicion. That will teach her to look at you the wrong way, right?
Fuck you, Freak. I am not amused.
What the fuck? This gives you justification for scaring her? What if she had a history with the guy asking for change? What if that guy was an asshole like you who had fucked with her at some point in the past? Sorry, dick, you can’t claim that a single observed instance of unexplained behavior justifies your actions. You are an asshole. Just let it go at that.
I have to admit I laughed when I first read the account, but on reflection, it really was a shitty thing to do, and for very little reason. However, Freak, I don’t think you are a creep, you just did something creepy because you didn’t think it through.
However, I think I laughed in large part because it reminded me of Stalker Guilt Syndrome, a short film available at http://www.atomfilms.com/
You can see a sample from the film - just search for the title. It’s about a guy who coincidentally and innocently is walking the same route as a woman he saw on the Subway, and he starts getting so worried she thinks he’s following her he does stuff that just creeps her out more. It’s damn funny.
He wasn’t standing over her with a knife in one hand and his dick in the other. His actions could have just as easily be interpreted as an awkward attempt to get the courage to ask her on a date. I would hazard a guess this behaviour turns out to be just that far more times than a precursor to rape.
In my humble opinion, her “Not for you” comment shows she is an insenstive cunt, and the mild scare she got was deserved.
That’s a very humble opinion indeed, Revtim. Not to mention a very narrow-minded one. Do you make all your decisions and judgment calls based on so little information?
Whenever I find a lost wallet I simply drop it into the nearest big blue mailbox. The post office will return it to the owner if any identification is in it. Personally, I think inviting the perception of yourself as a rapist would be as degrading to yourself as it would be frightening to your victim. I assume you’re white, since black guys get treated like this all the time without the effort you expended and receive none of the thrill. Grow the fuck up.
Oh, great. Now we have the assertion that it is acceptable and right to torment people who do not choose to give up change. That’s fucking brilliant. “The mild scare she got was deserved”? How far does one’s head have to up one’s ass to believe this shit? Hello, you dumb mother fucker! That called extortion. Those who do not give up their possessions are met with adverse consequences? Fuck you, thief.
Good point. Sorta like when someone walks up behind you and you assume it’s with malicious intent…
My last post was directed to Revtim. Damn the sluggish server that dilutes my wrath!
Given the fact that you have no knowledge of this womans history, I’d say this sort of reasoning is out of line. She may very well have had a bad experience before. Besides, she just had some idiot staring at her for half an hour. Said idiot is now following her. OF COURSE she’s spooked.
BTW, if it makes you guys feel any better, I talked to her on the bus yesterday. I apologized and admitted that I was playing with her head a bit.
According to her, she was scared (though not that scared, she atested), but afterwards she thought it was pretty funny. And the relief she felt at getting back her credit cards washed away any anger she felt.
I was actually starting to appreciate the fact that she has a sense of humor and sorta like her even, until she said “If I had known it was you behind me, I probably wouldn’t have worried. I was afraid it was some cracked out nigger with a knife.”
Apparently my original assessment of her was correct. Go figure. But I still feel guilty.
Revtim
The fact that you think she deserved it, whether or not she really is a bitch, only shows your lack of maturity.
A mature person would have approached her on the bus and simply said, “Miss, I believe you dropped this.” You might have even had a chance to get to know her in the ensuing conversation (Hey, it’s worked for me), or maybe not. But who cares. You’ve done the right thing and should feel happy about that fact, and only that. You’ve reassured, in yourself, at least, that there are actually some civility left in people.
Instead, by either feeling petty or inferior, you decide to “One-Up” her and make some kind of odd point to her. In the process of your ‘teaching’ her a lesson, you quite possibly scared the shit out of her. You’ve given her all the more reason to think people are untrustworthy.
I, too, wish she had bopped you one or maced you. Then your teaching her a lesson would have come full circle.
While it may seem funny to you now, the older and more mature you get, the more you’ll take other peoples feelings into account before you attempt these stunts. You’ll also learn how to deal and react to your own feelings as well.
Dude, you posted your OP 17 hours ago. I find it terribly strange that NOW, after receiving a lot of shit for it, you suddenly add this little extra info.
“Oh, BTW, I did apologise and she said it wasn’t too bad and guess what, she was a racist bitch just like I thought from the beginning”
Bullshit. Either you made the entire thing up, or just that last bit. But they did not happen BOTH.
So which is it? Did you intentionally scare her or was she paranoid?
Paranoia: Extreme, irrational distrust of others.
Where’s the irrationality here?
Why not admit that you were a jackass and say you’re sorry to her? Saying you feel bad here does her no good.
Zette
Ok. I think the story was hysterically funny. And most of you are COMPLETELY overreacting! If this woman decided to be condescending and rude, both verbally and with looks, there is no reason in hell why she shouldn’t expect to be taken for a ride.
If you are a woman afraid of being raped or stalked or whatever, and you see some guy whose looks/attitude you don’t personally like, or you’re afraid of him, then you DON’T LOOK DOWN on him. You don’t go looking for trouble! This woman was clearly not afraid of Freak, she was just rude. And Freak did NOT play on any paranoia that all women carry around with them (and believe me, I am one, and I’ve had some scares myself). He was just getting her back for being a mild piece of shit.
All of you high-and-mighty dissenters, take a cold shower. And kudos to Freak for a very imaginative comeback. 