And feel free to shove all that ‘Iraqi war apologist’ stuff right up your ass, ehe? Sideways. Not only is it insulting and stupid but it’s inaccurate as well. Since it flies under the radar of the Mods (who don’t consider this kind of thing insulting I guess) you get away with it however. Link to the rather tepid thread this came from if anyone really cares.
Fuck you asshole…oh, and up the voltage, ehe? Your meds are wearing off again.
(That’s all I really wanted to say…just couldn’t say it in GD as I would get spanked. You can insult someone in GD by calling them something acceptable like an Iraqi War apologist or something pointed relating to them being a conservative as it flies under the radar. C’est la vie)
I’d wager it was the “something pointed” part, like how the usual GD trolls can babble and froth about folks being “neocons” or “warmongers” or what have you, if their targets don’t ruthlessly cleave to the party line.
Is there any reason to think that, this time, a GD troll will be dealt with, rather than the mods simply assuming that he’s “wrongheaded” and shrugging, Czarcasm?
Not that this thread is about me…or really about anything except my need to make a statement that couldn’t be made in GD, but…
If you are interested…I initially supported the war in Iraq. I thought Saddam was a dangerous factor in a part of the world that is vital to modern industrial states. I felt he DID have WMD, that the sanctions would eventually be lifted (it seemed to be going that way to me at the time) and that this would give Saddam a free hand in rebuilding his military. And I felt that an Iraq freed from Saddam and the Ba’ath party had the potential to become a strong US ally in the future.
Pretty much since the git go I have become increasingly critical of both the war itself and how it has been (mis)managed. It’s become a total cluster fuck and I have been saying for pretty much the last 2 years that we need to figure out an exit strategy that won’t leave the Iraqi’s holding the bag of dog shit we handed them. We have screwed the pooch in about every way possible…and continue to do so.
By no means am I an Iraqi war apologist…except to the faithful like Der Trihs who throws that out in an attempt to win arguments by fiat and well poisoning. I’m not fervent enough I guess in my own criticisms of the war…or something.
I’m objecting to what seems to me the constant use of the conservative label used to paint someone with a broad brush in GD. I AM a conservative…about economics. I’m a social liberal by my own perceptions…and my stance in general is irrelevent to whatever discussion we are having. If what I say is objectionable then attack my positions…don’t attempt to label me with insulting tags like ‘Iraqi War apologist’…ASK me what my position is if I’m unclear.
I did not Czar because the last time I did so for Der calling me an ‘Iraqi War apologist’ I didn’t even receive an email from a mod…nor did Der ever get a warning in that thread afaik. I figured this was an insult that flies under the radar.
There IS a Mod warning in this thread…but it wasn’t for the repeated use of apologist (by several posters) afaict…but for Red finally crossing the line.
I’ve used the “Report post” button before, usually regarding NSFW content and discussions about forbidden topics (DVD copying, etc.), and have seen the mods do something as a result.
But i’ve also reported posts and seen nothing happen. I think that, in those cases, it would be nice if the mods sent a return message (via PM or email) saying something like: “We got your report about that post, but decided not to take action because…”
Don’t waste your time. He’s already fucked. When you walk to work, do you stop to argue with the ravings of homeless guys on the street? Why do it here?
Also, I agree that calling someone an apologist for the war or anything else isn’t really an insult. Kinda irritating, kinda argument-stopping, but it’s a perfectly legitimate term. We have Christian apologists, so why not war apologists?
Yeah, this is sort of my take, too. While the original meaning of the term “apologist” did not necessarily carry any negative baggage, the fact is that it is nowdays most often used in such a way as to imply lack of intellectual rigor, at best, and outright dishonesty, at worst.
Should it be banned from GD as an insult? I don’t know. I would tend to say no. But i think that the way in which it is used might also be taken into consideration. For example, if xtisme is not, in fact, an apologist for the Iraq war, is it an insult to call him one?
I just looked up my own use of the word on these Boards, and i can honestly say that every time i’ve used it, i’ve intended at least a mild insult. And a more general search, looking a a selection of random posts, suggests that many other people use it in pretty much the same way.
There’s a debate tactic that is never productive: it involves taunting someone for holding a position that they deny holding.
There’s a debate tactic that is sometimes productive: it involves explaining why, despite denying holding a certain position, the individual claims the person make are equivalent to holding that position that they deny holding. (For example, if someone says, “I’m not a feminist, I just think that women and men are equal,” it’s legitimate for someone else to come back with a claim that this is the essence of being a feminist).
It seems clear to me that Der is engaging in the former behavior. However, I’m not sure how one bans that without banning the second.
Unless one were to use some really vague and subjective and arbitrary rule. Say, “Don’t be a jerk.” That kind of rule ought to cover it, I think.
Der Trihs, due to his innate cowardice, does not appear in the thread dedicated to him in the pit.
He walks right up to the line on being a troll, and imo steps over on more than the rare occasion, but since he’s established himself, it will take a LOT for him to get called on it.
Huh. Well, color me corrected. Still . . . too much energy wasted on too much jackass, isn’t it? He doesn’t even stick up for himself in the pit. Someday, he’s going to lose it and get banned. Or he’ll move out of the basement and start dating. Or he’ll fuck up and mouth off to some tripped-out Iraq war vet, who, depending on where this happens, might get off with a $50 fine and his tire iron confiscated. Whatever happens, Trihs’s bullshit strikes me as a distinctly temporary phenomenon.
In the meantime, fuck it. Leave him to his own damned self. You don’t have to engage him in GD to win the argument with him. You won the argument when you got out of bed this morning. Hell, you won when you lost your virginity 20 years ago.