Just how important is sex, anyway?

If Stonebow suffered some horrible, crippling accident or illness that reduced his sex drive or made him incapable, I would not leave. I love him with all my heart and soul, and while sex was very important to us, I believe our relationship is strong enough to find other ways and means of expressing our love and need for each other. If he suffered from some psychological illness that manifested itself in reduced sex drive or disinterest, my actions would be the same, although I would encourage him to seek help.

However, if he just bops home from work one day, through the front door, throws his keys on the table, and says “Oh! By the way, I think sex is icky, I’ve kinda always felt that way, and I am not doing that with you anymore”, then things are different.

FTR, I’m a straight, single female:

Just where on the importance continuum is sex for you, personally?
Pretty darn high. I expect to have regular sex with whoever I date, and when I’m not seeing anyone I’m generally open to the idea of one-night stands.

Would you dump someone over having a different sex drive than you?
If we were just dating and the difference was significant, yes. Luckily, so far I’ve never been in that situation.

Would you dump someone who originally had a similar sex drive over a drop in libido?
Not just for that, no. As others have said, if the partner is unwilling to explore options or work on the issue, that’s another problem in and of itself.

Would it make a difference how long you’d been together?
Yes.

Would it make a difference why they’d had a drop in libido?
Yes.

The way I look at it, sex is not about enjoying your own orgasm- it’s about making your partner enjoy his/hers. If your partner doesn’t want to make you feel good, then why, exactly, is he/she your partner?

I’m not in a relationship right now, and I’m not really into casual sex, so I know I can live without it. Not my favorite thing, but I’m not climbing the walls over it or anything.

If I were with someone I loved, and my partner couldn’t have sex anymore for physical reasons, I’d find a way to deal with it. It would be a sacrifice, but I’d make it willingly and wouldn’t hold it against him.

If for psychological reasons he couldn’t have sex anymore, I would expect him to be willing to look into the problem and try to fix it. If he did, I’d support him all the way. I wouldn’t expect it to be easy or successful right away, but I would want him to try. If he didn’t want to do anything about the problem, that would be a deal breaker.

If he just didn’t want to have sex anymore, again, he’d have to be willing to try and find out why and try to fix whatever has gone wrong. Likewise, if he wasn’t willing to work on it, I would leave. For example, if he was on a medication the lowered his sex drive, I’d want him to explore whether there were other options that worked as well but didn’t have that side effect. I don’t know that we’d always find something succesful, but I’d want him to try.

This only applies to long-term periods of no sex. I can understand that temporarily someone would lose their sex drive from exhaustion, stress, etc. If it’s temporary, I’d just deal with it. However, if it gets to be long term with no end in sight, we’d have to start figuring out what needs to change (e.g. if he’s so busy all the time he just falls into bed exhausted every night, we’d need to think of how to change our lifestyles so that doesn’t always happen).

Male, 30, committed relationship.

Depending on the person, it can be of extreme importance. It’s very important for me, and I have objective observations that confirm my subjective experiences. I had a ten month drought a few years ago and I was apparently not a very pleasant person to be around sometimes after the first couple of months. I wasn’t consciously angry or uptight most of the time, but I was much more confrontational than when I had regular sexual contact, casual or committed. When I finally had sex again, a couple of close friends actually asked me what had been wrong with me. I didn’t know what they meant at first, but when I thought about it I realized how much of a pain in the ass I had been, and I also realized why I had acted that way.

I have simply not continued relationships where the sex drives were very different. They never get a chance to get to long term status because of it. Sexual relationships are like any other relationship: you need to get something about equal in “value” for what you spend. If you don’t get that, you feel cheated. No one can continue to have an unequal exchange of favors for long without negative emotions.

Many people may not realize this intellectually, but they certainly register it in their emotions. Many of the fights people have are over small repeated imbalances in reciprocity in emotional, monetary, sexual, or other areas of a relationship. I don’t believe you could make a healthy long-term sexual relationship with someone when you have such a fundamental imbalance as incompatible sex drives or preferences in sexual practices.

We have words for people who don’t uphold their end of a relationship: cheat, stingy, distant, traitor, jerk, selfish, freeloader, etc… All of them are negative and almost all of them could be applied equally to money as to emotions because money is just an extension of an emotional system of accounting that goes way back into our evolutional history. A friend who always bums money either doesn’t stay a friend for long or creates negative feelings in the people he treats this way. We instinctively shun people who consistently take more than they give.

We also have words for people we have an emotional attachment to and have exchanged favors with on a regular basis: friends, family. People you don’t have a sexual attraction to, or who you cannot have sex with, or who you cannot maintain a sexual relationship with, but who you care about. You can love friends deeply and intensely, but in my experience the relationship will absolutely never reach the depth and intensity of a sexual relationship.

If I were in a long term relationship already and the person could not have sex anymore, the relationship would not be over right away, but I am certain that unless we were able to have some kind of reasonable facsimile, eventually frustrations on both sides would build to the point where either the relationship would end due to negative emotions toward each other, or our feelings would fade to the point where the relationship was only a faint shadow of itself. Relationship counselors ask about changes in sexual activity because it is a good indication of emotional closeness. Sex and emotional intimacy are interrelated. One reinforces the other. If you don’t feel intimate, you probably aren’t as interested in sex; if you don’t have sex, you probably don’t feel as intimate.

It would make a difference intellectually if the person were not able to have sex due to an illness or some other uncontrollable factor, but again, emotionally it would change things significantly. I doubt there is any person who would not feel resentment and other negative emotions toward a sexual partner who was unable to reciprocate.

When people are dying of terminal illnesses, their long term lovers, partners, or spouses often feel guilty about feelings of resentment due to not being able to have a sexual relationship anymore, among all the other things they have to deal with. When my mother was dying of cancer, my father confided to me that he was disgusted with himself for mourning the loss of sexual intimacy with my mother almost as much as grieved over losing her as a partner. I didn’t understand at the time, and I doubt my father really understands now that those kinds of feelings are perfectly normal and are in fact a measure of how deeply that kind of intimacy mattered to him.

Male, married 26 years. We agree on this, since it comes up so often in Dear Abby, and we discuss it.

Sex is important to both of us. Things are improved now that our youngest daughter is old enough to drive and to leave us alone reasonably often, and when she goes to college in August …

It is unwillingness, not inability. We’ve had times of no sex due to health or travel, and it has not been a problem. But we both feel that if one partner refuses sex for a long period of time, and is not interested in compromising, that is grounds for at least an affair. If one partner refused to cook, the other is allowed to go to a restaurant, right?

And I don’t buy kids of busyness for very long term rejections. You can trade babysitting, there are weekends, there are hotels. Working together to improve your sex life is much better than disagreeing about the level of satisfaction.

Oh, and I can do for haircuts a lot longer than I can do without sex. (Need a long haired smilie here.)

I find it less important the older I get. Either that, or I’m just losing interest in it. I would rather be working or doing something constructive/productive. I can’t say I really miss constantly being preoccupied with it.

I can enjoy it when I want to, I try to make sure it’s often enough to keep the bf happy; I’m sure it’s not as often as he would like, but he hasn’t left me yet so it must be acceptable. If he leaves, however, I think I’m probably going to forgo getting in any more relationships, and just settle for the occasional fling, maybe, when the interest strikes me. I love him and do lots of things like cook him dinner or try to take care of him to show this, but sometimes I wonder if he is really happy.

The most satisfyring relationships, for me, seem to be ones that exist on a purely intellectual level.

And if your partner doesn’t feel good making you feel good, why would you want them to feel that way?

I think purely, for me, would be an exaggeration, but I do think that sex is not such a really important part of a relationship. That does not mean, however, that I don’t think it can’t be one of the best parts of a relationship. Let me rephrase that with fewer negatives.

Sex can be the culmination of intimacy, lust, challenging each other, sharing, and so on. Unless someone is particularly skilled, I can’t really imagine having sex without any emotional attachment to be much better than your average handjob (usually worse, as letting your imagination run wild while being sexually engaged with someone feels like the worst kind of cheating I have ever been able to think of).

Also, since the one thing that turns me on most is my partner being turned on, I don’t enjoy sex with someone who’s just doing the obligatory thing. It shows, and it’s … no good (thought of two other words first).

However, since I like intimacy in a relationship, and since a decent sex-drive is a part of me, I would generally expect that in a good relationship we would at least share a part of that. Should the other have a higher sex-drive than me, then for my part, it is easy to deal with as little turns me on more than a turned on partner and I’m creative enough to ‘assist’ even if I’m ‘spent’ (for whatever reason), which I always enjoy even in terms of intimacy alone (well developed emphaty allows you to joy in someone else’s joy).

I don’t think sex drives a relationship apart (at best, together). I don’t think it keeps people together either (not me anyway, as I abandoned two where the sex was … uh … very enjoyable).

I do think that sexual disinterest can bea symptom of a lack of intimacy after the initial ‘animal attraction’ phase has past. There can be good reasons why you may not share the intimacy of sex, even if it is just by talking about it, but there are many more bad ones.

That said, this only goes for my own preferred level of (mental!) intimacy in a relationship, and I do not judge relationships that have other levels.

Male, 28, in a committed relationship with my wife for 10 years, here…

For the first four years of our relationship, my wife and I had a fantastic sex life, 3+ times a week, very compatible drives. It was fantastic.

Year four (a year after we were married), she became pregnant, and there was an understandable slowing in our sex life. She had a very rough pregnancy, was sick and weak all the time, so from the beginning to the end of the pregnancy, we had sex maybe two or three times, because most of the time she was just too sick to do anything. Did I miss the sex? Oh, god, yes…but I loved my wife, and frankly, 90% of what makes sex great is our mutual enjoyment of sharing it with each other, so it was bearable.

For the next two and a half years, sex was very rare, once every month or two. Our little boy didnt start sleeping through the night until he was 2.5, and before that, he would only sleep for 3-4 hrs at a time. We were both exhausted (we always took turns looking after him, to try and give the other a chance to sleep), and again, physical conditions made sex difficult. We were both tired and irritable, and when one of us had desire, the other often didn’t. This lead to a lot of frustration, a lot of resentment, and a lot of grumpiness in general. Thankfully, we worked past it, talked it out, and that helped a lot.

There was one other problem, though. After the pregnancy, my wife’s emotions and mental stability never quite returned to what they used to be. She started having massive mood swings, going from manically happy to incredibly angry over the smallest things. Sure, our sex life improved…we were having sex 2-3 times a month as opposed to once every month or two, but her moods were insane, uncontrollable, and very stressing.

This past summer, after coming home to find her curled up into a ball and in tears, I finally convinced her that she needed to get help for her mood swings and depression. She has fought me on this issue since our boy was born, but finally, she agreed to seek help. Much counseling, much therapy, and many doctors later, it has been determined that she has massive chemical imbalances, and will likely need to take anti-depressents for the rest of her life to be “normal.” Unfortunately, after trying many “cocktails” of meds, the only ones that work have absolutely drained her of any and all sexual desire. Worse, even thoughts of sex or watching/participating in sexually related acts is distasteful to her. She can’t get turned on, no matter how we try…but, aside from her frustration with her lack of sex drive (and the resulting feelings of inadequacy) she is finally mentally and emotionally stable.

In the past six months, we’ve had sex twice. Since my sex drive is pretty high, I pretty much rely on self-satisfaction to relieve my needs, because the last thing she needs is guilt or pressure to do what she physically cannot. Is it as good as sex? Hell no, but emotionally, we are so much better now then we were a year ago, and so it is worth it. We’ve talked about “female viagra” and are considering it, but she is very uncomfortable taking meds as it is, and it probably isn’t a likely solution. We still cuddle, we still kiss, we still are very close emotionally and mentally…and we both love each other very much. Sex is an important part of a married relationship, true, but I do not feel it is the most important part.

What a wonderful, caring husband you are, poeticyde.

I don’t think sex is terribly important - and I have a pretty high sex drive! I usually get off 6-8 times per day, on average, with or without my husband. He likes to participate when he can, of course :wink:

However, earlier in our marriage, I had just come off of my birth control pills, and I had a very strange swing in mood - I wasn’t very horny anymore. I couldn’t understand what had happened. My husband, my dear, newlywed husband, held me each night and told me it didn’t matter, and then he told me that he loved me so much, that if I never got my sex drive back, or could never have sex again, it didn’t matter, because he married me for me, the me inside. As long as I keep smiling, he considers our marriage a roaring success. And I feel the same way - if I keep him happy in the most important ways, this man will never leave me. Keeping him happy involves simply caring about him and what happens to him, listening to him, trusting him, etc. My caring extends into things like keeping the apartment neat and tidy, and making him all of his meals (since I’m not working, after all), though he doesn’t ask me to do it, he thanks me every single day for it.
Since marrying this man, I have come to realise - if he were ever in a tragic accident that took away the use of his sexual organs/responses, I would never leave him, and never cheat on him. I would stay by his side and take proper care of him - I love him too much to do otherwise. His heart, his mind - that really does mean everything to me. Not what he can/can’t give me in bed.
Even if he suffered a massive chemical imbalance, there I’d be, by his side, monitering his meds and taking care of what’s most important. Nobody asks for pain and suffering in their life, why would I give him more of it?
The only reason I would consider leaving him is if he became abusive, physically and/or mentally.

Yes…that is why we have porn. It’s just much nicer with an actual woman.

Or it’s an incentive to keep the magic going.

Ever have to piss while stuck in traffic for an hour?

For some, sex is the emotional glue that binds people together…that’s probably why orgasms are sticky.

After a great night of sex - all those little bothersome things in life seem to disappear. The alarm clock sings, life is good, the air smells sweeter, food tastes better and your lover can do no wrong.

Single male, 29.

Predictably, it seems that sex has different levels of importance to different people, judging from the responses in this thread.

But, just because I like to make things more complicated, there remains the question of what is and isn’t sex. To even ask “How important is sex” implies that in relationships, there are certain things you do that are “sex” and other things that are not.

I doubt that anyone posting in this thread would draw a Clintonesque line at intercourse and maintain that anything less is not sex. However, there’s a prevalent idea in society that intercourse is the “main course” of sex, and everything else is an appetizer or side dish. Or if you’d rather use a showbusiness metaphor, intercourse is the “main event” and everything else is an opening act or a sideshow.

There’s nothing wrong with imagining sex this way, but it’s not necessary. Imagine that intercourse is sex. Now imagine expanding the definition to encompass oral sex and mutual masturbation. Now include showering together and deep kissing. Now laying in bed together and cuddling. Gradually widen the definition… shallow kissing, hugging, holding hands, talking, doing laundry, arguing, spending time away from each other, possibly not even thinking about each other… Pretty soon, the boundaries of your erotic life have dissolved, and everything you do at every waking moment is “sex”.

That, to me, is an ideal relationship. In fact, it’s more of a way of seeing the relationship than an actual way to participate in it. Of course the feeling of closeness and belonging with another person that is “sex” isn’t sustainable all the time. It ebbs and flows like everything else. But maintaining awareness of it as much as possible can only be a good thing.

Forgot to add:

Cyn, I love your healthy, realistic attitude. We should all be as lucky as your husband.

Sleel, very insightful post. It’s common for people to deny that sex has anything in common with other forms of currency, but it does. And that’s not a bad thing. I hope you and your father are doing well.

8/10

I know that if it’s in my power to make my loved ones happier, I’ll do it, even if it’s not normally something I’d want. Making them happy makes me happy.

I have a high sex drive, but I am rarely in relationships for one reason or another. I am not comfortable with one-night stands, so I don’t pursue them. I wouldn’t dump someone over a difference, or drop, in sex drive unless they were unwilling to look for the causes and possible solutions.

All I can say is :smiley:

Ok maybe a little more. This thread inspired a lovely dinner conversation. I tend to agree with many posters who I feel are correct to say, “Its the thought that counts”. Want to have sex but unable is tolerable for a long time. Able to have sex but don’t want to…why prolong the inevitable.

ITA. My husband and I(17 years) have not been able to reach compromise in this area. Early in our marriage, he was demanding and (frankly) whiney about my “not being in the mood”(I workd nocs FT, he worked days). It became a power struggle between us, the echos of which are still felt to this day. Thru our marriage, I have battled depression, pregnancy, hypothyroidism, major body image shifts d/t the onset of vitiligo for me, and repeated deaths in my family.

Sometimes “not tonoc dear, I have a headache” is real.

I am trying to negotiate(?) some type of detente so that we can get some kind of acceptable interaction for the both of us. It ain’t easy.
I do wish he had extended himself as did the other husband(Poeticyde) who posted about his wife’s depression and hormonal changes, but he did not.

Is it enough to divorce the man and effect 3 kids etc? No, I don’t think so. So, I keep trying (and to be fair, he does try too). It’s a classic case of me wanting time and attention and him wanting more frequency, so I would say I am the one with the “low” sex drive. I do know that I have come to hate what I call “hygiene sex”–which is just the mechanical motions of getting thru so that both can sleep.

I have thought of looking into the testosterone cream that was touted on Oprah awhile back. I am somewhat leery of hormonal treatments, though.

As a side note, I found I had NO sex drive at all while on BC pills. My sex drive went way up early in my pregancies with both my boys, so I do speculate about the extra dose of testosterone I was getting at that time…

I have a question for folks. If you are in a situation where you want more or better sex–how do you approach your partner? How do you “sell the product”?