I don’t mean to imply that Trump is any better than Harris using new media. He still thinks holding rallies for fans is all he has to do to win. I do think he got the Rogan thing right.
Any time you have the opportunity to do a softball interview that reaches tens of millions of viewers you simply fucking find the time to GO do it.
You’re not wrong and I appreciate your posts this morning because I’ve learned a lot. It’s still beside the point. Even if Zooming was infinitely superior, Rogan can still choose to do things his way on his show.
now the news is all: “biden’s garbage” comment.
great.
Not disagreeing at all. But you just know that if the tables were turned – Harris went to Austin, but Trump wanted Rogan to come to him – Trump would howl about illegal election interference and demand that Rogan’s license be revoked.
Honestly, this has me reconsidering my support for Joe Biden.
:rolleyes:
If [Hunter Biden = Joe Biden], then – in TrumpLogic (not a thing) – I suppose [Biden’s thoughts = Harris’s thoughts].
To these people.
ETA: Conservative pollster, Frank Luntz is on CNN now. His feeling is … this ‘garbage’ comment by Biden might materially drive turnout for Trump 
Not precisely, though it can be taken that way. He said that the only garbage was that Trump supporter’s joke.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/30/nx-s1-5172187/joe-biden-garbage-trump-puerto-rico
Well, let me tell you something. I don’t – I – I don’t know the Puerto Rican that – that I know – or a Puerto Rico, where I’m fr- – in my home state of Delaware, they’re good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s – his – his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American."
Of course, nobody can hear an apostrophe.
But in any case: it ain’t Biden who’s running. Though it’s not this board who I need to remind of that.
It’s a good ad for a certain audience. It would have been a terrible ad coming out of the Harris campaign, as there’s a strong assumption there that women are afraid to tell their husbands the truth about their votes.
Some women are, of course. But if Harris came out with that, there’d be a faux-rage outcry claiming it was meant to be all women, and that Harris thought all Republican marriages were abusive, or something of that sort.
I would say that (quoted shortly after by @Johnny_L.A; thanks, I can’t read xitter ) is an endorsement. And a pretty vehement one, even if it is a voting-against instead of a voting-for.
This “garbage” scandal seems to be entirely media-driven. It’s making headlines because the media is writing stories about it. No one is telling them to. And unless youre in the basket of deplorables, you’re probably not clutching your pearls over the remark.
I keep hoping Trump says something stupider to change the narrative, but so far he’s not stepping on his own dick. And therefore the media will continue to dedicate ink to a lame duck 80-year-old gaffe machine who- surprise, surprise- made a gaffe.
Re: Biden’s (was it/wasn’t it) gaffe:
I’m giving this one easily to Biden, much as I gave Rich Lowry the benefit of the doubt in his misspeak incident. I’d seen Lowry interviewed many times over the years, and never once got the overt racist vibe from him.
And Biden’s – as we all know – a gaffe machine, but his use of the word “his,” immediately following the [supporters/supporter’s] utterance cinches it for me.
But if you’re explaining, you’re losing, and if you’re Trump, you’re lying … TO an audience who’ll buy absolutely anything you’re selling.
Harris, the Democrats, and Biden truly have to play error-free ball for just a short while longer.
Please.
Oh, Trump is going to flog it for the next several months, long past election day. He has nothing else. He’d rather run against Biden, and the media will cover it.
It wouldn’t have mattered how Biden said it. Just by invoking the word, ‘garbage,’ it was destined to be deliberately misconstrued. It’s what Trump and his minions do.
It’s just noise at this point, IMHO. Much too late to have any lasting impact.
I sincerely hope you’re right (and I’m kinda in the 85/15 camp that you are). I just keep harkening back to the “basket of deplorables” crack that will be debated till the end of time. I hope this isn’t v2.0 of that.
I do find it kinda funny that online MAGA (primarily comments on Facebook) are clinging to this one like it’s their last hope. I hope that means good things to come if/when the comment blows over in a couple of days.
Or any material impact, period. Seriously, who is insulted by this who wasn’t already voting Trump? This will get someone off their ass who otherwise would have abstained?
I don’t think so. It’s a pointless discussion for the chattering classes. Not at all the seminal, motivating “deplorables” comment that helped energize (and define) the then-burgeoning cult.
Belated comment. This Supreme Court decision is crap because it means that anybody who failed to check the 'I am a citizen" box on their driver’s license application or anyone who became a citizen since then has been purged from the voter rolls. However, Virginia does have election day registration so presumably someone who shows up to vote and is not listed can still reregister.
“Basket of deplorables” was different because it drew the battle lines between us and them, and the right was able to leverage it to say “this is what they think of you.” But they’ve been leaning heavily into this for 8 years now. There’s no one left to win over with that argument.
Thing is, Trump supporters are garbage. It’s just not politically expedient to say so.
It 100% won’t matter.
The worst way to interpret it is that he insulted Trump supporters. So?
That’s not going to suddenly galvanize them. They’re already brainwashed into thinking he’s an evil, corrupt, criminal puppet of China who is also senile and Kamala has been secretly running things for four years so blame her for worldwide inflation. This is guaranteed not to move the needle a hair.
Trump’s rally on the other hand was attacking entire populations of people, including undecided voters or people on the fence. That’s why that one matters. This Biden comment only matters to media gadflies desperate for a bit more attention in the middle of the election circus.
“Basket of deplorables,” quit aside from its content, is also just a peculiar turn of phrase, which made Clinton sound like a weird alien.
Trump will ALWAYS get more views. His admirers will watch because they like him, and his detractors will watch him knowing he will say something that should be disqualifying. Harris is almost always preaching to her choir. Her detractors just ignore her until FOX editors get a chance to edit her comments out of context.
I agree. I think, too, that the Biden gaffe is NOT comparable to the Trump campaign okaying the “comedian” to insult Puerto Ricans, Latinos in general, black people, women, etc. Bored anchors at CNN and MSNBC will try to equate them. But they won’t succeed. Harris has made clear that she doesn’t share the view that Trump voters are ‘garbage’, while noting that Biden didn’t say that they were. She’s disavowed that sentiment; Trump has failed to disavow the hate spewed at his MSQ rally. Even less-engaged voters can see the difference.
CNN and MSNBC aren’t going to be able to find man-on-the-street interviews (saying Kamala is awful because Joe spoke awkwardly and unwisely). They’ve been running such interviews with people reacting strongly to the Trump “comedian” and to the fact that Trump hasn’t denounced the “jokes.” They won’t find such interviews of people reacting strongly to Joe.
Still, the coverage of the Madison Square Garden hatefest was helpful. Joe ended that.
Deliberately? No–no matter how deteriorated he may be, he consciously understands that a Trump Presidency could be personally disastrous for him and for his family members.
Unconsciously? Sure, Joe, on some level, would get some pleasure from tanking Harris. We all understand that dynamic. So now 95% of politics reporters will be slavering to get Kamala or someone close to her to say something negative about Joe.
That’s all that they will be focused on. (Great time for Donald to stomp a kitten to death, if that’s what he’s of a mind to do.)
I don’t. I mean, I get what you’re hinting at – the benched QB on some level enjoys seeing his replacement lose – but considering the stakes, I doubt that idea enjoys even a 0.01% part of Joe’s mind.