Kind of like when Ayn Rand collected Social Security?
…you must know that this isn’t how it works. When Judge Reed O’Connor ruled that the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional that doesn’t mean that the people who signed the Act into law “ruled that it was legal, even when it wasn’t.” You are playing with words here.
I’ll be extra clear and not at all babbley…
You have failed to provide a cite that Kamala Harris had anything to do with this law other than to defend it in court as part of her duties as district attorney. Completely and utterly failed.
She wasnt a sponsor, and those are the only names I can see in support. That was a while ago, no?
No, but it means she Oked it as legal. And it clearly wasn’t. She just could have not allowed it on the ballot. It isnt uncommon, it happens in CA. Prop 9 was just stricken and not allowed on the ballot.
In any case, she unilaterally banned all new handgun models from being sold in CA, based upon a totally spurious and useless “Microstamping” hypothesis. She’s not stupid. On one hand she tries hard to ban any and every gun. On the other, she talks about “reasonable gun control”. She knows any gun banner has no chance to be President.
Yes, and that is not being wrong or evil, but it *is *being *hypocritical. *
Nonsense. There were questionable sections, sure. But Prop H was in no way “questionable”. Everyone knew it was illegal.
As DA she ruled it was legal to be put on the ballot. And the DA doesnt have to defend a law.
Huh. Y’know what, Ima take my cue from Obama here and just say, please proceed.
Show. Don’t tell.
…the bolded is an objective statement that is falsifiable. I didn’t know it was “illegal”.I I hadn’t even heard about it until I read this thread and millions of people around the world haven’t heard of it either. So again: you are playing with words. How about skipping the hyperbole for just a little bit?
It should be clear from context that he meant the Cit leadership, not everyone in the universe including You. Did you miss that, or are you being pedantic when there are actual points that could be discussed and disputed in this thread?
…if the Cit leadership objectively knew that Prop H was illegal then they wouldn’t have signed it into law. The line between “legal” and “illegal” isn’t a well defined line in the sand. So yes I’m being pedantic. Because the law is pedantic.
And the claim that “Harris knew it was illegal” because “everyone knew it was illegal” just doesn’t hold up. They signed it into law because they held the opinion that the proposition was legal. The courts ruled otherwise. That’s how things work.
What do you want me to show? That ballot propositions in CA have to be cleared for legality before they are put on the ballot? :dubious:Or that she was DA at that time? :dubious:Either one is liek asking for proof that the sun rises in the morning, why are you asking for silly cites? Even when i provide them, you’l; just ignore them anyway, like that rest of my cites.
Yeah. sure. We’re talking about all the politicians and legal experts concerned with the law. I am sure there’s a goat herder in the Sudan who had no idea. Who gives a fuck?
And your evidence that all the people who voted for this proposition and who brought it forward were like, “I totes know this bill violates CA law, but what the hey, our city has an extra $300,000 lying around that we don’t know what to do with, let’s spend that on paying off the NRA”?
Proceed.
…the politicians and legal experts who signed the proposition into law held the opinion that what they signed into law was legal. If you have an evidence that they thought otherwise: if you have some sort of unique insight into Kamala Harris’s brain that nobody else has access too, then now would be the time to present it.
Show anything that supports your point. Show that Kamala Harris had anything to do with this law. You have made several assertion, some of which appear to be factually false, but haven’t really supported anything.
When you were asked to support your assertion that Harris wanted to ban all handguns you provided a (broken) link to a Wikipedia page on which Harris’s name did not appear.
Try harder.
No, not necessarily. Just because you think something should be illegal doesn’t mean that if you do it while it isn’t illegal, you must be a hypocrite.
It’s perfectly possible to endorse, in a logically consistent manner, the idea that society as a whole would be better off without allowing private handgun ownership, while at the same time maintaining that as long as private handgun ownership is allowed, you personally would rather have one than not.
(A similar example is animal-rights activists who support a legal ban on owning animals as pets, but who work in animal shelters helping pets get adopted. Their reasoning, which is not intrinsically hypocritical, is that “animal enslavement” ought to be illegal, but as long as it isn’t, then the next best thing is getting abused animals rescued and cared for and adopted out to loving owners.)
Personally, when it comes to guns I have no problem with responsible and legal private gun ownership, but I think the Second Amendment ought to be repealed. That’s not hypocritical either.
Oh, I absolutely got your point. You want to call her a liar, without using those words. I just wanted you to clarify that point.
ETA: With absolutely no evidence or reasoning. Just because you WANT her to be a hypocrite.
Was Harris DA of SF when Prop H was put on the ballot?
27th District Attorney of San Francisco
In office
January 8, 2004 – January 3, 2011
Oh gee, my wiki link went bad. Man, that takes some MAD skilz to figure out, and of course it means Wiki is wrong, right?:rolleyes: Gesusfuck, if that’s you idea of a rebuttal, you lose.
Proposition H was a local ordinance on the November 8, 2005 ballot in San Francisco, California, which gained national attention for its banning of most firearms within the city. The measure passed with a yes vote of 123,033 to a no vote of 89,856. The proposition was later struck down in court.
Thereby as DA of SF, Harris had to pass on that Prop getting on the ballot.
Please show your cite that she wasnt DA at that time.
And then of course I saw harris on TV on a yes on H ad, giving a soundbite about how handgun violence is bad. Are you saying I didnt see her?
She did? Are you sure? Because Senator Feinstein and Mayor Newsom said it wasnt legal. And every Judge said it wasnt legal- rare unanimous decisions. So either Harris is stupid or she deliberately let a bad law get on just to harass gun owners. You pick. Since she has done other stuff just to harass gun owners, I know what my pick is.