I don’t know…but it may be true that I have a soft corner for Kamala Harris and I really feel she would be a great president if elected.
Next governor’s election would be 2026 and there are already something like nine or ten people that have declared over 18 months out from the primary and more than that that are considering it. If she won, Harris would then likely have to start running for president in 2027 if she wanted to make a serious stab at it, if not even earlier. If she’s actively running for president in 2028, raising money and hitting the trail, she’s not going to be doing much governing in CA in 2027, let alone 2028.
I admit to somewhat disliking politicians who run nakedly performative campaigns to gain a very short-term stepping stone. At least serve one full term before fucking off for your higher ambition and costing CA the expense of having a premature governor’s election for a half-term. Politics is a cynical game, granted. But even I have my limits on such things.
If she did succeed in pulling that off I’d be inclined to say ‘fuck you’ and vote for a different nominee just out of annoyance. Of course I’d still vote for her in the general if she got the nomination, because better a drowned stoat than a MAGA Republican. But I probably wouldn’t support her nomination under those circumstances.
I thought she did? 
Actually the election was fairly close.
A lot of people throw their hat in early then drop out, Biden did also. So did several other winning candidates. That is not a big deal.
Harris lost due to inflation and people not understanding economics. And having short memories.
Yeah- no. If you run for governor- and win- be governor.
I concur.
She knew Biden was jello brained and went along with his re-election attempt. She’s corrupt and incompetent, throw her in the trash.
I don’t just mean about reading public opinion, we need to have standards and she has proved herself a piece of shit by jockeying supporting for dotards in government.
The office of President is a big deal both these days, in the past, and the future in which our business leaders who operate businesses for three years in disadvantages communities can be rewarded.
We need to put an end to “Weekend at Bernies” style stunts.
Sorry, this just caught my eye, “gravitas”? Him? “dignity, seriousness, or solemnity of manner”?
Once again: Biden dropped out of the election because he had a terrible debate performance and was polling terribly. He didn’t quit as president though, because there is no evidence of “jello brain”; just that he couldn’t get his words out.
Or, put it another way: if misspeaking a couple of times in his debate with Trump is evidence of dementia, what is Trump’s dozens of lies and talking about sharks and batteries etc and the so-called “weave”?
I don’t know what you mean by this. The office of president has always been a big deal and who has operated businesses in disadvantages communities?
Perhaps, in hindsight, all democrats (except Dean Philips) including Obama were complicit in covering up for Biden’s obvious decline. How can Kamala alone be blamed ?
I think he’s talking about some RW talking point that the Ds reward carpetbaggers who briefly run businesses in disadvantaged communities to collect the D-sponsored gift money from the taxpayers. Likewise the fake “minority owned business” subsidies and government contracting preferences. It’s just another riff on the eternal RW whine about “Those welfare cheats stealing muh money.”
Now a real president, IOW an RW one, would stop that nonsense the first day with an executivee order dictatorial flourish. That’s what a real and serious government would do.
If Kamala runs again and loses again, the Democrats are going to be very embarrassed. Much more embarrassed than if someone else they run loses.
Re last post: Loses in the general election? Yes, except I do not think she would get that far.
Moderates will vote for someone else, in the primaries, because there will be a more clearly moderate choice (maybe Gallego or Shapiro).
Progressives will vote against her because they think the U.S. is too sexist and racist for a Black Asian woman to defeat MAGA.
Democrats beyond labels will vote against her because she lost in 2024.
I think it will help the Democratic brand for Harris to be defeated in the primaries, and that’s why I think Kamala should run for president again in 2028. If I am wrong, and she outshines the others in the primary season debates, then there is a new Harris with no embarrassment needed. But, more likely, there is a chastened Democratic Party in which she cannot win most primaries.
Why? What happens if, without running in the primaries, she instead endorses a particular candidate?
Then no big deal, it’s on the endorsee to win or lose their primary. Support from a past standardbearer and even better of their funders and in-party allies is one of those things that can be very good to have, but still it’s you who are on the ballot.
Which are you claiming-
Biden’s decline was obvious?
Or that it was covered up?
Further, you say “Biden’s obvious decline” I saw no decline let alone an obvious one. Can you provide cites or evidence showing an obvious decline?
Geez, an old man got older in a job that aged far younger men. No shock really. Be reasonable, most people though Biden was declining. Most rational people also thought Trump was declining. Both are too damn old to be President.
But one is far more criminal and dangerous than the other. America has spoken: They like having criminals for presidents.
Meanwhile, I spy two hobbyhorses. I for one choose not to ride.
No one in this thread said otherwise.
I hope the Democrats could maybe find another Obama, but that is asking a lot. They could use a charismatic rising star more than a retread in 2028. I supported Kamala in her run, but she is not a top choice for me in 2028. 2028 seems very far off and I worry about the transfer of power in 2028.
I suspect 2028 is too soon, but I really like rising star and new Senator, Andy Kim of NJ. Just one name I can throw out there.
"Undercovered and underreported. That would be, to me, Joe Biden’s obvious cognitive decline that became undeniable in the televised debate,” Crawford said in Sunday’s broadcast.
One more by NYT …
One more…
hid hijack of thread
The cites obvioulsy are after the debate…but it is very clear there was a very substantial decline in the months if not years leading up to the debate.
Unfortunately for the democratic party, no one including the VP, senators, cabinet members, or Obama/Pelosi…not a single one did what they did after the debate. And by then it was too little too late.
Moderating: Anything further on Biden should go to its own thread or a Biden Thread at least. This is not the subject of this thread.
My apology…I was,responding to a request for cites on Biden’s obvious decline. Will stop now on that topic.