Sailboat:
In closing, as Orson Scott Card famously said, in reference to choosing between creation or evolution, “…whether you were created OR evolved, IT’S OVER!”
In trying to be pithy, I probably stripped out too much context for that to make sense.
In his Secular Humanist Revival speech, Card asked the audience to write down their favorite scientific principle and he would read their submissions aloud from the pulpit. The technique was supposed to mirror “testimony” in a revival church.
One woman wrote “I like that I can choose whether I was created or evolved.”
Card responded, “Now I am sorry, but you can NOT. Whether you were created OR evolved, IT’S OVER!”
Card meant that you can NOT choose what already happened, regardless of your feelings – you were either evolved or created, but whichever occurred, it already happened and is now a matter of historical fact. Our ignorance of that fact, or our feelings about it, would not change it.
He did not mean evolution has ended.
Sailboat
FWIW Card has pretty much recanted that speech. Here is one guy’s take on it. From the link–bolding mine.
Two decades ago, a saint came before us to preach the American values of a secular nation in the humanist tradition.
His name was Orson Scott Card. He called his preaching the Secular Humanist Revival Meeting. He was a Saint of the Latter Day.
And as time went on the warnings he gave came true. Religion crept into our science classrooms. Children were told how to pray by bureaucrats. Churches were corrupted by government money, corrupting themselves in the process.
Now we are engaged in a great World War, a Crusade between the Christian and the Muslim world, bomb matched by bomb, atrocity by atrocity.
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Everyone discriminates against the Pastafarians.
So it wasn’t just me… Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I thought I was losing my marbles.
Not much to the point, but related: visiting California, I was really amused to see the Flying Spaghetti Monster as a metal sign on a car, next to a Darwin fish:
FSM. Plaque is 5-1/2
I’m going to get one of those!
Monty:
Writting?
If that’s what you kids are calling it these days…
Stuckey’s has expanded into the education field, now?
Do they hand out pecan logs at graduation?
I think in this case they might need to go back a bit more than that, to elementary school perhaps. Their grammar is…broken.
bouv
April 17, 2006, 2:03am
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You say that like it’s a bad thing…I could easily live in a semi-quiet corner of an Olive Garden, working via wireless laptop connection and having soup, salad, and breadsticks all day long. So long as I get unlimited refills.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, who said anything about a wireless connection? Or a laptop? And may your breadsticks be forever cold, and you salad forever composed of naught but black olives and those pepper-thingies.
That would work for me. I* like* olives and pepperoncini.
Me too…although I notice they’re putting fewer and fewer of both of the above in the salads, as Olive Garden continues its downward slide towards being another TGIMcScratchy’s.
I love the Northern Sun.
welby
April 17, 2006, 2:39pm
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If it’s invisible, how do you know it’s pink? For that matter, how do you know it’s a unicorn?
Life would be so much better if people would realize that I am the culmination of evolution, and you are all here to please me.
There was no mention, was the teacher wearing an eye patch? Maybe a peg leg?
You have to have faith. Duh.welby . Did you go somewhere?
You might stand to look into a writ ing class yourself, partner!!!111eleven
FWIW, to me the article read like a transcript of a prepubescent Southern California girl’s phone call to her friend: “Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster, Marcia said this and Jack said that and Susie said this to Jack and then Jack said the other thing to Marcia and could you believe Joe said this to Susie…”
welby
April 18, 2006, 12:35pm
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Yeah, I got busy and let my subscription lapse. I’ve been back for a bit though.
flight
April 18, 2006, 6:22pm
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welby:
If it’s invisible, how do you know it’s pink? For that matter, how do you know it’s a unicorn?
Life would be so much better if people would realize that I am the culmination of evolution, and you are all here to please me.
We know she is invisible because we cannot see her, we believe she is pink. That is the mystery of our faith.
welby:
If it’s invisible, how do you know it’s pink? For that matter, how do you know it’s a unicorn?
Life would be so much better if people would realize that I am the culmination of evolution, and you are all here to please me.
Of course it’s a unicorn, I mean it’s called the Invisible Pink UNICORN. What else would it be…duh.
