I also am giving it a cursory first look. I liked “Power” even if it sounds like something on a FIFA videogame…“Monster” is interesting.
But as said elsewhere…a 100 artists and producers worked on it. and he’s the genius? Does that make him the Robert Evans of producers? I dunno…but he’s no Prince. Hell, I don’t think he’s even Don Was.
Some people like to listen to music and not rhyming fluff. Every time a song on that album gets a little musical headwind it gets smacked down with mind numbing poetry.
Well…so far…I’d take the weakest track off the “Judgement Night” soundtrack over anything I’ve heard on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Edit: Okay, maybe not the weakest
Except that this is actually not true.
Not sure where you got your info from.
His gripe is not about the number, but rather that Black artists are relegated to certain categories. An analogous situation is how comedies and comedic performances are less respected at the oscars.
Have you ever tried to make a beat or create music? Mastering that craft is just as hard as playing an traditional instrument.
So her being married to a guy you think is rude is reason for people to comment on her looks and call her a ho?
Which, again, is a nonsense phrase (and different from what you said). Every person listed there has a clear reason they are/were famous.
Who are you to tell people what they should spend their money on?
Maybe because almost no one agrees with your ridiculous contention.
I must admit that I thought black musicians dominated the Grammys and the charts these days. But chart-wise, I’m apparently stuck in 2011. These days looking at the Grammy nominations and Billboards top 100…there are an awful lot of crappy, derivative white performers.
What social responsibility does she have? It’s not as if any of them hold themselves out as paragons of virtue.
Who cares? Why is getting lip injections or being in Playboy inherently bad?
First, Paris Hilton had a show deal before her tape. Second, there are dozens of starlets with sex tapes, and non including Hilton have created a media empire. Saying it was the only reason is unnecessarily dismissive.
I think you are being fairer than many, but still a bit unfair. As you said, few judge fashion models or actresses for posing naked. Do you ever hear people calling Taylor Swift a whore for dating multiple people in the spotlight?
First, the evidence that she wanted the tape to leak is scant. Second, why is any of that other stuff bad? Would I do it? No, but I don’t judge someone for doing it.
So someone in the spotlight shouldn’t address their “flaws” because society might get the wrong idea? Why does society get a vote on what someone else gets to do with their body?
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No matter how talented Kanye may be, it’s clear that Beck could do everything that he could do, and much much more.
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Why are you so sure Beck can do something at a higher level and in a completely different style given he has never demonstrated such a talent? And I am not criticizing Beck, but the idea he can do what Kanye does is based on nothing.
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But maybe I’m wrong. If someone wants to link me to him playing live and improvising - and I have a fairly wide tolerance for “playing live”, mixing would count - then go for it. But someone who takes 5000 hours to make a 4 minute song is not a better musician that someone who takes 4 minutes to do so.
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Why does talking less time make you a better musician? And I am pretty sure 5000 hours was hyperbole.
Hold up, imma let you all finish in a second, but I just want to remind everyone that when Beck hit the scene (22 fucking years ago) he was seen as ‘groundbreaking’ and incredibly talented… So I don’t know where all this ‘Beck is just some random dude’ stuff is coming from.
Just because he didn’t stay relevant as long as Kanye has doesn’t mean Beck isn’t incredibly talented.
Also “Sea Change” is an amazing fucking album.
Completely agree. Beck is a genius too.
Like hell it is. There is absolutely a learning curve, but all the practice and care that, say, Rush or Dragonforce put into their instruments absolutely dwarfs all that required by the tools of overproduction. Tools like Auto-Tune tap into a market consisting of a great deal of laziness and entitlement.
No, you’ve completely missed the point. It doesn’t help West’s case any that he associates so closely with a tribe of idiots. There are also no reasons to comment on Kim’s appearance or slut-shame her. If you’ve been paying attention, you will notice that I did neither. Instead, I’m annoyed at the fame and fortune that accrues to people like this, when they display utterly no reason for such a position of power and privilege. I’m far more annoyed at the public that pays such attention.
No, it’s quite unclear why someone should shoot to fame on account of anything the Kardashians have done, or even their associations.
I’m not qualified to do that exactly, but as a person with some modicum of taste and decency I can tell them not to pay any attention to the Kardashians, and anybody else they rope into their vulgar, pointless freak show.
No, it got some traction on Twitter when I called attention to it, and quite frankly I am confident that plenty of people think it’s rather disgraceful for a grown man, born and raised in an English-speaking environment, to babble with double negatives, mysteriously missing verbs, and all the rest. That sort of thing reflects poorly on his intelligence, among other things, and yet many of the youth who for some reason look up to West will hear that degeneracy and (subconsciously) conclude that there is no reason to pursue erudition, since evidently a superstar like this doesn’t need it.
I qualified my post when I posted it and your refutation doesn’t exonerate West and his massive number of producers and song writers.
Wait, what are you talking about? He said Beck had one songwriter and one producer, and he did. Mixing/engineering, mastering, and producing are entirely different jobs, even if engineers sometimes also produce.
Not only that, but it looks like wikipedia is missing a semicolon. Allmusic lists Beck as the only producer, and the other persons in that list are engineers.
Technically a good portion of those folks who are “producers” on Kanye West’s albums are engineers or do mixing or mastering (or even photography, marketing, and A&R). West likely has around 10 producers (including himself) who assist on the album.
FWIW, the songwriter numbers are a bit misleading as well for artists who use samples. For example, in the song “Hell of a Life” on MBDTF, West uses a highly-fuzzed up guitar riff which is a sped up “Iron Man” riff from Black Sabbath - so one of the songwriters on that song? Ozzy Osbourne.
(regardless, I don’t think it actually really shows all that much in the slightest - West tends to be the main producer the vast majority of the time, and is always the main songwriter on his songs - I don’t think anyone even comes close to claiming that other people write and produce his songs for him and he just gets up there and raps to stuff that has been premade)
If it wasn’t for the tragedy that Americans worship a trained monkey who can ©rap curses into a microphone and pound his chest like a gorilla, this idiot would be where he belongs: in a prison rec yard.
I think that may be a wee bit racist.
It’s never too far below the surface when the conversation is the ‘legitimacy’ of hip hop.
It’s based on having listened to enough of Beck’s music to know that he’s a more talented producer, composer, singer, and arguably rapper than Kanye West.
Because performing a piece in one take displays more talent than performing it in thousands.
And yes, I’m well aware that Kanye’s compositions don’t really lend themselves to one-take performances. All that means is that, unlike jazz music for example, on can’t listen to one of his recordings and judge the quality of the musicians.
Well, that’s the thing. I actually like the music, but I also do like the rhymes. Rap is one of the few forms of music where I do pay attention to lyrics. Usually, lyrics are disposable to me.
I tend to agree with brickbacon regarding sampling and putting together beats. I play several instruments and have a great interest in sampling and electronic music. Putting together a loop is fairly trivial. Doing it well, picking out good source material, and making something people will want to listen to is difficult, like anything else, in my opinion. I find it much easier to write a song than construct a loop or build a song on loops and samples I want to listen to, personally, but that’s because sampling and looping apparently is not a talent I have. But it’s not an “any idiot can do it well” type of deal. Far from it.
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This comment is completely out of line for the Cafe Society forum.
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