The hard part is just aiming my gun right. After that its easy…
More macho BS in my opinion…
Yeah you’re an idiot, you’re abusing context so you can express your own macho BS by taking a completely uncontroversial statement and making it controversial.
Nothing I said was Macho or BS just a statement of fact. If a Dude is prone on the ground it’s easy to stomp on his head.
Yes. Let me officially state for the record, since I’m new here: I, Interconnected Series of Tubes, hereby declare that I support and endorse the brutal curb-stomping of mentally ill peoples by ex-marines. In fact, I garner immense personal satisfaction and enjoyment from watching the proceedings thereof.
Maybe I didn’t speckle my previous posts with enough obvious disclaimers that I think it’s an atrocity or vaguely introspective posts on how disturbing the footage was to me.
Maybe you were too busy snorfing down your bowl of Serious-O’s to notice.
ETA: Also, a massive lol to the not-so-veiled assumptions that participating in martial arts and knowing the mechanics of one’s body represents tacit support of this kind of shit. billfish678, get a fucking grip.
There’s no such thing as an ex-Marine. 
And IMO if some guy is teaching anyone a move where you do A everything is great, and if you do A prime he dies or is badly injured…
Then IMO the guy is either full of shit or you shouldnt even be doing that move in the firstplace…or some of both…hence my macho BS stance…
Let me put it this way.
Here is a knife. Stab the guy here and its just flesh wound. Stab a quarter inch to the right and he is dead. Is this a good idea in your opinion?
Why are “karate” moves involving SOMEONE ELSE’S head a good idea? As someone else noted above, any move involving the head should be off limits barring an actual life and death event.
It’s clear you have nothing to add to a discussion of martial arts. So you need to shut up and listen, even to dilettantes like myself.
First off in training, even if you do the half-speed training move it’s incredibly unlikely that you will even hurt your opponent. I can put my knee on my training partner’s head without hurting them and have done so literally hundreds of times.
If you are learning a self-defense martial art, hurting another person is the POINT of the training. You can kill someone by rupturing their kidney with a kidney punch too. Which is why I ignored the incredibly stupid comment that you have now picked up and run with. You can kill someone kicking them in the stomach or make them lame by kicking them in the leg.
It’s quite possible to kick someone in the head without hurting them. I’m not as limber as I once was, but if you are shorter than I am I can kick you in the head after some stretching, and I can do it without hurting you. When I was younger I could kick someone my own height in the head very easily.
Knowing how to hurt someone doesn’t mean you are any more likely to do it. For me personally the more I know how to hurt someone the less likely I am to do so.
I’m also a trained massage therapist, and what I learned at Massage School taught me how to hurt someone far more effectively than any of my martial arts training. I know the ranges of motion on all of your joints and their end feels, something that most martial artists do not know. I know pressure points that are painful even with only a slight amount of pressure. I know how to look at you and tell where your pain emanates from and what you are compensating for in the way you stand.
It’s not ‘macho BS’ it’s kinesiology.
Boxing in general is far nastier in terms of head shots than pretty much any other martial art.
Bah…is that a kung foo grip ? 
I never said that.
Its the IMO stupid moves that in theory that have to be done right to be safe. Either they are so dangerous they shouldnt be done or they arent as dangerous as implied. IMO you can’t have it both ways.
You show me a guy that can shot the fly off an orange with a gun at a 1000 paces and I’ll be damn impressed.
If that guy suggests or merely mentions doing the same off the top of somebody’s head…my macho BS meter pegs.
So, boxing involves knee or head stomps while the head is on the ground?
I did not know that…
I don’t think these are sanctioned anywhere in the US.
Be prepared to see this show up in one of my posts one day. Oh, it won’t be soon. It will creep in like a thief in the night.
Or like in reality, you can train at half speed and put your knee against someone’s head without applying any force.
I don’t see what your incredibly difficult maneuvers have to do with an incredibly simple one.
:rolleyes:
As for Boxing, in Boxing you hit people in the head hard regularly, you don’t in most martial arts. For some reason you’ve fixated on the idea that kicking someone’s head is more brutal than punching it. I guarantee you my training including head stomps is a lot less brutal than training for boxing.
I don’t agree with this. The point is defending yourself from harm, sometimes that requires hurting your opponent, but it is not the point.
Eh, I have lost the energy for this thread. But knowing how to hurt someone is what makes something a ‘martial’ art. You can’t extract the two. If you can keep the drunk idiot from you without hurting them more power to you.
Amen brother. Haven’t read the rest of the thread but I doubt I’ll find a more factual post. Hell’s bells, even in the video that prompted this thread I see little “martial arts” and a whole lot of street whoop-ass.
Guess I don’t need to go to fighting school to learn that stomping on a dude’s head while he’s down is going to cause severe damage.
I think subject matter like this is likely to lend itself towards hyperbole, but I must ask.
Could you provide an example of a move that must be ‘done right to be safe’, in your opinion? I dapple very casually in submission grappling. The reality is that most “combat sports,” be it submission grappling, wrestling, martial arts or boxing (which in particular is very damaging, but not for any reason that’s relevant here) involve training that, yes, could be distilled and simplified into “learn how to hurt somebody.” Yet I don’t think anybody’s worried about me going on a triangling spree at my local Curves when I get turned down for a date.
However given that a critical theme in almost any of these sports is that of restraint, and given that the average casual practitioner will spend the vast majority, if not flat-out all his time executing his training at sparring-strength I don’t think the argument you’re trying to make holds much water.
I’m not denying that the fundamental roots of these sports were often, indeed, war. But I don’t think you can realistically say that martial arts training predisposes one to violence, or even that it results in more grievous injury. If that’s what you’re trying to assert - I don’t really know. I’m just getting a vague sense of martial art training = dangerous without a lot of justification.
I’ll drop the tangent. Maybe the thread can get back on track.
Well…um…yeah. There is a lot more force in a kick than in a punch. I don’t think anyone would want all 200 lbs of me coming down on their cranium.
But yes, most martial arts don’t train by actually making contact with a person’s head with your foot while in boxing they do connect while sparring.
Any martial arts I’ve seen, they teach restraint. Yes, you can be ruthlessly aggressive and merciless when you are in immediate danger. But guess what. People can and do go to jail for using any slight provocation to unleash a flurry of whoopass.
You’re right, there was nothing particularly skillful about it. It reminded me of when I was 14 and would beat up my 12 year old 'tarded neighbor who always liked to step to me. I once guided him to trip over something too with half-assed lazy moves. I stopped before the stomping on his head part though. I pointed and laughed instead. It just really reminded me of that fight, except in my situation no one actually got hurt.
I didn’t see a whole lot of street whoop-ass there, I saw what reminded me of fighting as a child. What I saw in that video was a pussy stomp on a child’s head. I guess it’s street whoop-ass in that in reality fights generally are that pathetic.
No, it certainly isn’t necessary.
That the other guy with his crazy flailing ‘spiritual martial arts’ style got some good hits in and put the other guy on the floor is a testament to how pathetic the other dude’s skills actually were. I think he needed to stomp him because getting knocked down humiliated him. The head stomp and getting him to trip over the stuff in the corner was the only effective moves that guy pulled in the whole situation.
The point is in Boxing you actually hit someone in the head in training. In Jiu-Jitsu you just place your foot on the side of their head. Billfish was talking about it like our training was this insanely dangerous stuff because we kick people in the head in training, but the reality is that it’s
We really connect but the connection is so light that it’s not painful at all except the rare accident in which case it’s only slightly painful. In another thread we have here another member of the forum who trains Judo was using that lack of full contact as a reason to dismiss Jiu-Jitsu’s effectiveness as a fighting style, and of course he does have a genuine point.
Yep. But there is something that comes from martial arts, or at least SHOULD come from it. It’s a security in your own skin. A lot of the things you might have been afraid of in the past you are not afraid of. Confrontation doesn’t scare you as much so you have less reason to provoke it. There is something to be said, not for being drilled with a philosophy of non-violence but with the security of knowing you know how to fight if you have to.
“Fear causes hesitation and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true.”
I think that was from Point Break.