I usually don’t have a problem with you Tuckerfan, but either you don’t realize that George Allen and Karl Rove are two different people or you are being incredibly offensive by using that term. Its basically like saying ‘Bye, bye niger!’…and then coming back and saying, well, you know, he’s white and all, so I’m not REALLY being racially offensive by calling him niger.
As to Rove leaving I’m sort of in the BFD camp myself. I think he has less effect on things than people credit him (he’s not the Dark Lord of the Sith after all)…and I doubt anything is going to make much of a difference one way or another in the remainder of Bush’s presidency. Only a little while left to wait, and the clock is ticking…
Could be the “Big Enchilada” effect. The Bushiviks seem convinced that the Dems loathe Rove personally and if he were not present, the impetus for investigation would die down.
Yeah, Tuckerfan already addressed this. He knows all about that stuff but he finds it “handy” to conflate two different Republicans so as to imply that Rove is a racist. You know, like it was “handy” for Bush to imply that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda.
I think the OP meant to say “turd blossom” and got his excrement-sounding epithets mixed up.
However, the fact that he refuses to back down from this mistake and instead inexplicably try to defend his position speaks very poorly for him. John Mace is right–any conservative poster who tried something as similarly pathetic and transparent would be eviscerated here. And with good reason; the OP has even less of an excuse.
Nice try John, but unlike a good number of the Right Wingers or Lefties around here, I’m not a one trick pony. Dig around and see if you can me dumping on someone here for something similar. You won’t be able to.
xtisme, call me when the term’s in as common a use as nigger and we’ll talk.
CarnalK, what’s the matter? Snarkboard not getting enough traffic for you, so you had to reup here? No doubt you’ve already posted this thread complete with pathetic whines about how “it’s not fair” I do these thing. Bet that was you who posted a dozen or more links to threads I started, complaining about them, only to have a bunch of “Jesus Christ! You’re pathetic to stalk him like that!” responses from everyone. But I’ll give you this much, at least you’ve grown enough balls to lash out at me here, instead of slinking off to do it on the snarkboard. You should try it more often. Heck, you’d probably develop a following if you did.
ArchiveGuy, you’re wrong. If someone like John had used it against Hillary, I’d have ignored it. If they’d used it against Tom Cruise, I’d have ignored it. If they used it against me, I’d ignore it. If they used it against Preston Tucker, I’d ignore it. If they used it against Condi Rice, I’d bitch about it.
concur. Even at this late point, it would be best, so as to not derail the thread further. It was at best a side comment (ill advised) in the first place, so why one would not simply state ‘yea, bad choice on my part, my bad, but doesn’t Rove suk?’ is beyond me.
as to the meat (sotospeak) of the OP, gotta concur w/other voices as well, that jumping the sinking lame duck ship at this point only allows Rove to position himself into Kingmaker II, the reannointening.
Here’s the reason floated out there for Rove’s departure that has the ring of truth to me - greed. He’s making his hay while the sun shines.
Rove is rich, but he plans to really cash in by selling access to the White House and those in power. If the Permanent Republican Majority he had been working for years to achieve had actually taken place, he would have been in high demand for decades. He finally sees that after Bush leaves he will have no access to sell since the white house will be occupied by someone who has completely distanced themselves from the current administration - be they Democrat or Republican.
The only time he can make his big dollars is in the next year and a half.
I have to give full points to the CNN correspondent who reported that he was leaving to spend more time with his college-aged kids and managed to do so with a straight face. Now that’s professionalism.
Has anyone asked whether Rove’s family wants to spend more time with him?
I love my parents and all, but when I was in college if my dad quit his high-powered job to spend more time with me, my first thought would have been, “Oh, shit.”
Why you think this is an important point (or that it somehow makes your statement alright) is beyond me. Hell, that kind of tap dance didn’t work for the guy who actually DID use that offensive term (and it wasn’t Rove as I’m sure you are aware by now). And I’d say that, due to the political fall out over the term it IS pretty well known by now. Hell, I even know (now) where the term came from and what it means…and why its derrogatory for that matter. I seriously doubt (around here) that the term is a big mystery at this point…not that it matters if it is or isn’t of course. YOU know what the term means…and so do the rest of us.
But whatever floats your boat Tucker. Whatever respect stock you once had is dropping fast IMHO…
'Twould be another point of connection between this administration and that of Richard Nixon. On one of the Watergate Tapes Tricky Dick (which probably has been the name of a porno movie) uses the expression, “balls out.” When his audience indicated he didn’t understand him, Nixon yelled, “Balls out! Balls out!.” Who says history has to be dull?
John Mace, xtisme, CarnalK and even Martin freakin’ Hyde are right. And I can’t believe anything would make me agree with the latter.
Tuckerfan, I find the term offensive and I’m as far as you can get from a right winger. It really was a pointless addition to your OP, and the fact that you keep on defending its usage is distracting from the big picture of your thread’s topic – and makes you look as embarrassingly thickheaded as George Allen, who used it in the first place.
Don’t fall into the habit of defending a mistake past the point of all reason. That’s almost … well, Bushlike. C’mon, you’re better than this.
Pretty pathetic. Instead of trying to rebut or concede to my point of your obvious hypocrisy you do a bunch of handwaving and hope everyone will jump to back you up from all those anonymous bullies. Lot of nerve implying I’m the coward here.
Some here are giving Tuckerfan a little too much benefit of the doubt. He said immediately he used the term to “smear” Rove. I have trouble thinking this is some mistake that he has decided to not fess up to - it was a rhetorical trick that backfired.