Does anyone know if Kermit and Piggy being married was ever referenced after The Muppets take Manhattan?
Muppet Christmas Carol doesn’t count because they were playing Mr. & Mrs. Cratchet, not themselves.
I don’t remember them seeming very married in Muppets Tonight or Muppets in Space. I can’t remember the Jim Henson Hour very well, since I was still pretty young then, and the only parts that really stuck with me were the storyteller segments.
Anyone know if there’s an official Henson position on it?
Seems very disheartening that such a touching culmination of those two characters was swept under the rug. (I still get teary-eyed when I think of Big Bird and the Sesame Street gang among the guests)
not really 100% official, since this was retelling number three on how everyone got together. If you view it as more of a movie made by the Muppets after they got big in Hollywood instead of a section of their lifestory it fits better. (they weren’t married in the latest X-mas movie on NBC)
You’re confused. The characters Kermit and Miss Piggy were playing in the movie may have gotten married, but the two were not married in real life. Both have the highest regard for the other and enjoy working together, but prefer to keep their personal lives private.
Muppet continuity is truly a labyrinth of concentric realities. The first Muppet movie is a movie-within-a-movie, made by the Muppets about themselves. Kermit tells his nephew that the movie they’re watching is sort-of approximately how the Muppets met, which I take to mean that some of it was embellished. Therefore, we don’t know for sure how the Muppets got together, because we see only a perhaps unreliable “Keyser Soze” version. The second movie is likewise a movie-within-a-movie, wherein Kermit and Piggy meet again for the first time (not to mention Kermit and Fozzie are identical twins). In the third movie, I think they are again playing “fictional” characters (it’s been a while since I’ve seen it), and at one point Piggy adds to the metaphysical conundrum by imagining a fictional scenario within the fictional scenario within the (to us) fictional scenario – this time featuring the Muppets meeting as BABIES. Furthermore, this “alternate universe” of Piggy’s imagination was itself spun-off into the “Muppet Babies” cartoon series.
So how are we to interpret all this? Kids who grew up watching “Muppet Babies” may in fact take it as canon, believing that the Muppets did know each other as toddlers, despite what we older fans know to be true: that the Muppet Baby scenario was merely the extension of a fantasy imagined by a fictional character played by Miss Piggy (who is herself, of course, a fictional character).
It’s too bad Philip K. Dick died so early; he could have gotten a lot of inspiration from the Muppet movies. :dubious:
Well you’ve almost got it Winston Bongo, except that the muppet baby daydream was from MTM, not GMC.
I always assumed that GMC was the movie that they started to make at the end of TMM, but yes, it was clearly a “movie” in the sense that they were playing characters and not themselves.
Now that you remind me, I do remember the framing device of the movie in a movie in TMM, and that could mean that TMM itself was actually the movie they made.
But I always assumed that MTM and MFS were “real”. (Oy… my brain hurts). FWIW The commentary on MFS has Gonzo saying that the movie was based directly on real events in his life.
Man… I don’t like the “it was only a movie and their characters got married” explanation. It works well with the facts as given… but it feels like cheapening part of my childhood.
To make myself happy I’m going to pretend that the “Earth-1” Kermit and Piggy really did get married, but that the later shows and movies show the “Earth-2” muppets.
I thought that the ringer priest at the end of MTM was a trick played by the actor Miss Piggy… and that Kermit went along with, and that they were, in fact, married. An improv scene, as it were.
Going by MTM, they are married at the end due to the duplicitous actions of the female porker in question, but their marriage is never mentioned again (to my knowledge).
My wife just got Muppets from Space this weekend and upon watching it, they are not married.
As an aside, have you ever considered the sheer power and efficiency of an organization consisting of the Skeksis and the Doozers? They would put Nazi Germany to shame.
Yeah, my thought is that at the end of MTM, Piggy got a real priest instead of Gonzo playing the priest, so they actually did get married in that movie.
[Sweedish Chef]
Wedding, wedding, pig and froggy wedding!
[/Sweedish Chef]
Thanks, Tars, now I have the tune running through my head, though I can’t remember any of the lyrics. I watched that movie enough times as a kid you’d think I COULD.
Oh well. I’m off to watch more of my birthday present – Muppet Show DVDs! I’m reliving my VERY early childhood. It’s great fun.
I know Miss Piggy sneaked the real priest in, but I can’t stand the thought of them being really married. I’d like to think that Kermit got it annulled on the bases of her duplicitous actions.
I was never real keen on their romance. Partly jealousy, partly just not liking Miss Piggy.
I love in MTM when Kermit has amnesia and Piggy tells him they were in love and he just busts up about it.
It seems to me that the wedding in MTM was not real, it was a part of the movie – the character of Miss Piggy hired a character “real” minister to conduct the wedding. It was just the movie, not the “real life” of the entities of Kermit and Piggy.
I thought that Mr. tlw and I were the only ones who remembered the MTM wedding so well. We were at a wedding last weekend and he leaned over to me during the kiss and whispered in my ear “Because you share a love so big, I now pronounce you frog and pig!” I had to bite on my purse strap to keep from laughing out loud.
Y’know, I’m pretty sure that I heard on the Conan O’Brien show that Kermit and Piggy had divorced, because Kermit had converted to Judaism, and could no longer eat…
