The Kirk Cameron Proves the Existence of God Pit Thread mentions this for 3 pages, but the full- ahem- “debate” is now on Youtube. It’s an hour, hosted by Martin Bashir (the journalist most famous in US for the MJ baby dangling documentary), and it is absolutely painful. PAINFUL. To watch- not for Kirk and Ray Comfort, who have no idea that they’ve been bitchslapped to hell and gone.
Part 1- In which we get a Growing Pains minidocu and Kirk wants it understood that he’s not appearing as a molecular biologist. (Guess the rumors of his molecular biology doctorate aren’t true.)
Part 2- In which Ray begins mentioning the Bible to prove the existence of God at considerable length in opening arguments where he had specifically agreed to give his proof for the existence of God without mentioning the Bible.
Part 3- In which Kirk introduces the Crocoduck.
Part 4- Q&A from audience, several members on both side being insane
Part 5- in which Kirk mistakes the word “final points” for “give your testimony”
If you just want highlights there’s the Rational Responders (the atheist duo brought on to argue against Kirk & Ray- they’re not the most skilled debaters on Earth [neither are they terrible] but it’s like sending a past his prime fully armed gunfighter against an unarmed Little League shortstop)
Then there’s the O’Reilly clip where Kirk discusses how angry and rude the atheists on the show were. They weren’t.
It’s long to watch but it’s worth it.
And it made an atheist question Darwinism. According to Kirk’s site.
This could absolutely be used as a touchstone in debate class.
Wait … who’s pretty to look at?
All this talk of crocoducks makes me want one. Do they make good pets?
They’re really cute when they try and take an unwary deer down. You just wanna hug 'em when you see them trying to grab one in their bill.
(actually it was an MPSIMS thread)
Thanks for the links! I hope I have time tomorrow to check them out.
What must really cut Cameron and Comfort is that even conservative Christians who watched the ‘debate’ found less than spectacular champions of the Cross.
Wow. I didn’t realize how edited the NIGHTLINE version is. Watch the ones on the radicalresponders link above and you’ll see that Cameron & Comfort had their asses handed to them big-time.
I wonder if the decision not to air some of the excerpts had to do with not wishing to offend Christian viewers.
One final version to mention: you can watch the unedited version (90 minutes in several installments) on Nightline at abcnews.com. As mentioned, the edited version is butchered in favor of Cameron.
Pets, not so much; but they’re just the thing if you want to make dinner, shoes and a pillow.
I don’t know if I’m glad or irked that his debaters didn’t hold up a “Croc’o’Shit” picture during Kirk’s umpteenth recitation of Pascal’s wager or Watchmaker. Those are the only two arguments he knows; he and Ray consider both airtight and have no concept that “Even IF you managed to prove the existence of a divine being you’re not even 1/11000th the way to proving the Bible is true”.
You’d think that if someone like Kirk felt the call, and he has presumably no real financial worries due to residuals and investments from evil H’wood big-money, and he wants to make proving God his life’s work, that he’d take the time to enroll in schools and study this from all sides, knowing not just Christian apologetics but atheist rebuttals. Of course he constantly says “I know how atheists think because I was an atheist”, referring to when he was a critical thinking 17 year old tabloid fixture presumably.
For dessert, there’s the Christopher Hitchens v. Al Sharpton Debate on Morality w/o God.
Includes Sharpton’s now famous comment
Which, of course, in no way whatsoever was an insult to Mormons… it was Hitchens who was insulting them… Sharpton was just speaking and stuff. Listen to Al’s explanation and perhaps it will make sense. It has something to do with being okay because someone said something about Obama’s pastor and stuff. But it’s Hitchens’ fault.