Kirk was the best Star Trek Captain in my rankings - Please give your rankings

I was just musing over the ST Captains, Here are my rankings. I invite you to post yours.
1: Kirk
2: Picard
3: Janeway
4: Archer

In retrospect, regardless of William Shatner’s failings as a subtle, wide ranging dramatic actor actor, he was the best “captain” of a starship to date and the only one (IMO) that really carried it off ina semi-believable fashion with a good combination of military “edge” and a sense of command while still caring for his crew’s welfare.

Picard was OK, but too Hamlet like in the inter-personal stuff to really be a true captain. Technically Patrick Stuart was probaby the best “actor” of them all, but he came across as more of an earnest diplomat than a starship Captain. Having to deal with the variable writing quality of the plots and very politically correct sensibilities the writers often (not always) expected the crew to have didn’t help much either.

Janeway was OK but exuded too much too much of a “concerned for your personal happiness” vibe. I just never really bought her as a real starship captian. He acting was too cardboardy for my tastes.

Not a bad series (IMO) to date but affable Archer wants to be everybody’s pal. He’s hard to really take seriously as a real starship captain (so far).

1 - Picard

2 - Pike

3 - Sisco

4 - Kirk

5 - Janeway

6 - Archer
Tho, I am a major TOS fan, Kirk put his command in jeopardy too many times and plays fast and loose with the rules. Resourceful, sure, but a loose canon.

It took to about season 4 for Picard to gain the lead.

Pike would have been an awesome continuing character. What would Trek have been like with Pike in command?

You forgot Sisko, you cad.

  1. Sisko: Um, real no reason. Picard should get this spot but I am giving it to Sisko 'cause A) everyone else will nominate Picard and B) I’m a DS9 fanboy.

  2. Picard: Diplomat extrordinaire and all that jazz.

  3. Archer: Lesser of three evils. I’ve only seen about eight Enterprise episodes but hell if I’m going to put Kirk and Janeway any higher than I have to.

  4. Kirk: I hate cowboys and that’s all Kirk really was. Now if I disregarded TOS and focused on just movie-era Kirk, he’d be number three.

  5. Janeway: Despite having Starfleet’s best intentions at heart, she stranded her and her ship seventy five years from home. And I swear she was bi-polar or something. She switched from approachable Captain to She-Bitch at the drop of a phaser.
    And just 'cause I love lists:
    Ships

  6. USS Defiant NX-74205

  7. USS Defiant NCC-74205 A

  8. USS Voyager NCC-74656

  9. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 D

  10. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 A

  11. USS Enterprise NX-01

  12. USS Enterprise NCC-1701
    Aliens

  13. Romulans

  14. Cardassians

  15. Jem’Hadar

  16. Vorta

  17. Changelings

  18. Vulcans

  19. Bajorans

  20. Betazoids

  21. Borg

  22. Klingons

Janeway was horrible. She should have been court-martialed on numerous occasions. The fact that they were stranded in the Delta Quadrant at ALL should have made her have a dishonorable discharge. I theorize that she was promoted to Admiral both to keep her away from the workings of Starfleet, and to help cover up just how much of a moron she was.

My rankings:

  1. Kirk
    2 (close). Sisko
    3 (slightly less close). Picard
    4-1,000. Other anonymous Starfleet Captains.
  2. Archer
    1,000,000,000,000. Janeway

I’ll echo SPOOFE but will reverse #2 and #3 on my version of that list.
If Archer would quit being a dork for two seconds, he’d move up. Janeway never could.

1.) Kirk: The Ultimate Captain. He may not be a finely polished diplomat, but if you need someone to win a fight, then you pick Kirk, hands down. He can find a solution for most problems and is eternally resourceful. He’s out there on the frontier, and dealing with two species as powerful as the Federation: the Klingons and the Romulans.

2.) Picard: He’s a good captain and the perfect diplomat (he would have an excellent second career as a Federation Diplomat), but I don’t think he ever showed enough of a warfare side. One reason I liked Nemesis was because it showed him as a battle-ready captain, nearly on par with Kirk. He’s a bit too passive in most circumstances though, in my opinion. Also he tends to “outsource” problems more than Kirk. Admittedly, part of being a captain is having good people, but the number of times he calls a conference and asks “Options?” sort of gets tedious after a while. Even so, he’s a solid number two.

3.) Sisko: Has a good mixture of the good elements of Kirk and Picard, just not to the quantity that those two have. Admittedly, I never liked DS9 as much as TOS and TNG, but Sisko stands as a solid captain. Plus he’s actually led massive fleet engagements on screen.

4.) Janeway: A bit too touchy-feely in my opinion. She isn’t bad as a captain, considering the circumstances she’s been thrown into – no Federation support, no allies, a ton of enemies, and lots of problems to deal with on the way home. A good point in her favor – she often made tough ethical choices at the drop of a hat. She stranded her crew 75 years from home to destroy a piece of technology that would lead to the enslavement of entire races, most likely. Downside: She wasn’t smart enough to think of placing self destruct charges on board the thing, set to detonate about ten seconds after they got home.

5.) Archer: Even though he’s at the bottom of the list, that doesn’t necessarily mean I dislike him. He’s just not quite right for the time. He needs to be a lot more Kirkian or Picardian, but he isn’t either. If he was more like Kirk, he’d be brash and kicking butt without too many qualms. If he was more like Picard, he’d be a lot more diplomatic and ensuring more peaceful settlements to many things. For example, that episode when the Klingons were raiding a colony for fuel, Kirk would have ordered the Klingons to surrender, than blasted them when they didn’t. Picard would have been ten times more subtle and succeeded in making the Klingons leave without lots of destruction. Archer… he puts his crew and the colony at great risk to perform an elaborate trick on the Klingons. Admittedly, it works, but there’s nothing to keep the Klingons from coming back tomorrow and eradicating the entire colony without notice. Kirk’s solution is far more direct, and more permanent. Kirk wouldn’t have had any “moral qualms” over it either.

I agree with Aesiron… I like lists. Therefore:

Ships

1.) USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E. A cool battleship with a finely honed crew. Picard is quite at home in this ship and follows the Teddy Roosevelt theory – speak softly, and pilot a big starship. A nifty battleship.

2.) USS Enterprise NCC-1701. The premier ship of its day, capable of outfighting anything else in that sector of space. It didn’t carry any families; they were out there for years at a time and knew it. They had to – and did – deal with anything and everything that came up. Not to mention it was destroyed in the best fashion – self destruct with the enemy on board. Janeway and Picard tend to order self-destruct sequences at least a few times a year. Kirk is the only one with the balls to carry it out – and no “Going down with the ship” for him. He’s going to keep on fighting.

“My God, Bones. What have I done?”
“What you had to do. What you always do. Turned death into a fighting chance to live.”
-Admiral Kirk and Doctor McCoy while watching the remains of the Enterprise burn up in the atmosphere, Star Trek III

3.) USS Defiant NCC-74205 (A). I didn’t really draw much distinction between these two ships, perhaps because I never watched the series as much as any other. It’s a very nifty ship, though, a frigate built for war.

4.) USS Voyager NCC-74656. A good ship, even if I didn’t like Janeway all that much. Tough for her size. Not much else to say on this one.

5.) USS Enterprise 1701-D. A decent enough ship, although it wasn’t nearly streamlined enough for my tastes. As the Federation flagship, even in a time of peace, why the heck was it carrying so many civillians on board? Bad idea, I think. They should have just skipped right to the E.

6.) USS Enterprise 1701-A. Yeuch. Lasted for a whole two movies before being decommissioned. It didn’t do anything!

Enemies

1.) Klingons (TOS). The original Baddies. Straightforward and direct. If a Klingon doesn’t like you, he’ll tell you and then rip your heart out. Unlike the Romulans, for example, which have to go to elaborate schemes. For example, observe the Romulan scheme in Nemesis. Klingons would just come and start killing you right off. Even in the time of DS9, they were direct. They decided they didn’t like the way the Federation was doing business, and decided to assault DS9. They later became allies again, of course.

2.) Borg, Version 1. TNG through First Contact. Faceless enemies coming towards you over and over and over again, nearly unstoppable. Single cubes wipe out fleets. Almost absentmindedly swats aside other ships that it doesn’t care about. For example, when the Borg were first encountered, they just sat around scanning and stealing pieces of the Enterprise while Picard waffled about what to do.

3.) Romulans. Just… because. They may be sneaky, but they make a good enemy.

4.) Dominion species. They don’t have nearly the political intricies of (1) and (3), and aren’t as terrifying as the Borg.

5.) Borg, Version 2. The Voyager version. Wimpy. Yeuch. They still do damage, but they should have stuck with Version 1.

6.) Cardassians. I dunno. They always sort of struck me as the weak sisters of the Alpha Quadrent.

Oh, and Spoofe, I disagree with you about Janeway <smirk>. (Disagreement is a big surprise, right?) Once she entered the Badlands (on a Starfleet ordered mission) and encountered the Array wave, they were bound to end up in the Delta Quadrent. Wouldn’t matter if Kirk or Picard or the Borg Queen was at the helm… they’re going to be caught up in the wave. The ship just isn’t equipped to escape. Once she’s there, she chose not to return in order to destroy technology that would allow the massacre and enslavement of many Delta Quadrent species. I’d court martial her if she didn’t do that. Of course, as I remarked above, she was too stupid to think of planting charges on the station to be triggered afterwards.

I do think she was promoted to Admiral so she wouldn’t have to command a ship again, though. She did show a great concern for the larger picture in many cases. She may have sucked as a starship captain, but she worked well as a fleet officer, in my opinion.

-Psi Cop

I can’t believe I forgot the Enterprise E :smack:

My revised list is:

  1. USS Defiant NX-74205

  2. USS Defiant NCC-74205 A

  3. USS Voyager NCC-74656

  4. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 E

  5. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 D

  6. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 A

  7. USS Enterprise NX-01

  8. USS Enterprise NCC-1701

And what, pray tell, was to stop the Kazon from getting aboard the array after Voyager left, disarming the charges, and then using the advanced technology to wreck havoc?

Plus, you’re assuming that Janeway, et.al. could have made the array work for them, the same way the Caretaker could. This was not a subway, pal. If you’ll remember, their initial trip to the Delta Quadrant damaged the ship, killed the first officer, the medical staff, the helmsman and some others – and that was with the Caretaker controlling it. Trying to use it themselves, with the Caretaker dead and unable to advise them – I don’t know if I would want to play those odds.

She did the right thing, people. Let it go.


That said, my favorite has and probably always be Sisko. I have a soft spot for softspoken, authoritative, knowledgable fellows who nonetheless have a temper and aren’t afraid to let it work for them. Plus, he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice – he took out Gul Dukat knowing it would probably cost him his life (Prophets Ex Machina notwithstanding.

The rest, they have their good days and bad days. Apples, oranges, grapes…a kumquat?

Well, admittedly it would have taken precise timing to get the Array destruction to work. But as for getting it to send them back… Tuvok (I think it was him – I don’t remember details from a pilot episode of eight or nine years ago) said that he could trigger it, and him being Tuvok, I don’t doubt that he believed it would work. It may not have been as simple as taking the Subway through Manhattan, but nor do I think it would have been particularly difficult.

Solution C: The Captain orders Tuvok to take the ship back through into the Alpha Quadrent, while she remains behind to trigger the charges manually, and keep the Kazon from stealing the stuff. Suicide, sure, but it would have gotten the whole crew back, as well as saving a species or ten.

Of course, then there wouldn’t have been a Voyager series. You do sort of have to factor in that it was the premise of the series that they were lost out there. As I said, I think Janeway did the right thing. I may not be one to suicide, but I’d strand myself and my crew 75 years from home if it meant saving that many.

-Psi Cop

I don’t think that there’s only one style of captaining that works. That’s why I think it’s really cool to have characters who aren’t identical. So, my list is not based on which style I like best, but how well the characters pulled off their own individual idioms:

  1. Sisko
  2. Picard
  3. Archer
  4. Janeway
  5. Kirk

Now for the list of everyone I can think of (right offhand) who’s ever captained a vessel:

Jelico
Crusher (Beverly)
Data
Sulu
Worf
Sisko
Pike
Picard
T’Pol
Archer
Janeway
Tripp
Spock
Troi
Kirk
Kira

  1. Kirk
  2. All those other pussies
  1. Picard, because TNG started playing just as I was getting old enough to really be aware of what I was watching on TV. He was my father figure, I tell you. No rewatching of episodes and realizing how hokey they were can dim my sunny memories.

  2. Sisko, because while DS9 rose and fell in quality, he was consistantly my favorite part of the show.

  3. Kirk. Maybe if I’d seen TOS first, I’d rank him higher, but he never really clicked with me.

  4. Archer, because I haven’t watched any of Enterprise, but he has to be better than…

  5. Janeway. I feel a wave of loathing every time I see her. I’m not sure why I dislike this character so much, but she grates on me horribly.

I’ll take Captain Rachel Garrett over all of them. Sure, every star fleet captain would (theoretically) sacrifice themselves for the noble cause when called upon, and we’ve seen most of them nearly killed (or killed and get better) from time to time.

But Garrett did her duty, no fuss or fanfare, and didn’t come back. She’s a small footnote in the history of the Federation somewhere. Something about that whole unsung hero thing - I like her.

Of the ‘regulars’, I liked Sisko. When push came to shove, he’d shove, as in the time the Cardassians took over some planet or other in the demilitarized zone, and he poisoned the atmosphere. He was a very dark character, for a trek captain.

Kirk takes all prises.

Both Sisco & Picard have great strengths as leaders.

But all the other Captains are overshadowed by Commander Adama of Battlestar: Galactica.

Kirk: “Screw the Prime Directive. I want my people back.”

Sisko: Anyone who can keep a leash on Worf…

Janeway (Hey, I like my Mother.)

Pike

Picard: “These people are killing and eating each other, but the Prime Directive forbids us from doing anything except watch and drink tea.”

Archer and Tyrell tied for last place.

1)Kirk
2)Picard
3)Sisko

Then those other ones. And you can bet Kirk wouldn’t have gotten himself lost halfway accross the galaxy for 5 seasons (or however long Voyager was on).

1: Picard
He always seemed the smartest captain, to me. He knew how to deal with people; both his own and others - in that sense, he did have the diplomatic tinge that Astro mentioned, but to my mind, that works in his favor. Especially since his ship was much more civilian than the others (kids? pets? Sure, we’ll take 'em all!). His demeanor worked for Enterprise D. Picard took a sober, rational approach to command, which in my book made him a superior leader. Plus I always felt kind of sorry for the immensely talented Patrick Stewart being cornered in this very goofy (but cool) show… Though I guess the money was good…

2: Kirk
The man had authority, I’ll give him that. He had the aggressive attitude necessary for a pioneering flyboy, which does work in his favor. However, his short sighted and ill-conceived tactics often led his crew into more danger than was necessary, and therein lies his handicap. I’d address his shenannigans (however you spell it) with the ladies, but that doesn’t at all affect his fitness for command, in my view (see also: Clinton presidency).

3: Sisko
I didn’t watch DS9 much after the first season, but I always saw Sisko as intelligent and tough. Maybe if I knew him better, I’d rank him higher, but for now, he gets #3.

4: Anyone but Janeway and Archer. They don’t deserve higher than fifth and sixth. For number 4 - Strom Thurmond? Sure!.. Barney the Dinosaur? Hell, yeah!..Ronald Reagan? Erm, I’ll get back to you on that one.

5: Janeway
God, the woman’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Oh, how she hurts me. I’d put her last for that alone, but she did on occasion show some basic competence and comprehension of how to run a ship, and she had some useful scientific knowledge. Though she never seemed to know what to do with her hands, which is a bad sign in a captain, if you ask me.

6: Archer
Irrational, dumb, and overemotional*. The man is one big ball of PMS. Very sad. I just want to lock him in his quarters with a gallon of Ben and Jerry’s Chunky Monkey and a stack of taped water polo games, and tell him to leave the running of the ship to those who know what the hell they’re supposed to be doing. I have to admit to a certain fondness for the guy (if only because of his great abs and weird, stilted speech), but he ain’t captain material by any means.

Kn(this post brought to you by the letter Q and the number 1)ckers

  • Brainstorm: Just occurred to me that Archer may be intentionally hyper-emotional to serves as a foil to T’Pol’s cool, Vulcan attitude. Maybe the same thing was done with Kirk and Spock, I dunno. Alas, instead of being a valuable contribution to the study of socialization and emotion, Archer just ends up a huge bipolar mess, and one that badly wants heavy meds and therapy. Poor bastard.

Kirk (anything other response is blasphemy)

Sisko

ME

Picard

Sulu (didn’t really get to see much of his captaining)

Princess Penelope Prissypants (my cat)

Janeway

  1. Sisko: Has always struck me as the most authoritative. Of course, he had the coolest situation to work with (quoth Psi Cop, he’s actually led massive fleet engagements on screen.)

  2. Picard: The nostalgia pick. I watched TNG as a kid, so it was the baseline Star Trek for me.

  3. Kirk: Just a cocky asshole.

  4. Archer: I really dislike Kirk, so if Archer would give me any reason to rank him higher I would. But no, he’s just a feckless puppydog…

And that’s it, no one else should be on the list.

I think this is really tough. Y’all are looking at each ship captain when they are in their element, but how do they handle things when confronted with something that isn’t their “style”?

Until he was assimilated by the Borg, Picard was practically a non-combatant. Afterwards, especially when dealing with the Borg, he sometimes got downright bloodthisty.

Kirk was a cowboy, but that worked for the time period because there were so many known dangers at the time. He wasn’t really confronted with amazing new enemies all the time in the outer reaches of the galaxy. Hence, he knew what rules he could break. If he were to command a ship in TNG time, I htink he would become serisouly bored with his job and start getting into real trouble by running out looking for adventure.

As opposed to the first two, Sisco could actually do both diplomacy and combat well. He was a great character because of the loss of his wife and his bitterness over Wolf 359. Starfleet Command did a good job choosing him for the DS9 command because they knew he could handle the political problems out there and would seriously whup the ass of anyone who pissed him off. And he punched Q. That was cool.

I like Archer as a person, but he is a bit too sappy to be an effective ship captain, especially since this is their first forray into the unknown.

I don’t really know Janeway and I don’t care to.

One captain we didn’t get to see enough of in my mind was Sulu. Damn that guy was cool.

And on that note, my favorite ship has always been the Excelsior. Sorry, y’all, that ship is just damn cool.