So kittens > family in your book? Wonder if that says more about you or your family. Regardless, Daddy isn’t going anywhere: he faces a $5,000 fine and up to 500 hours community service: no jail time.
Related jackassery: Who the hell buys a kitten as a pet for a five month old child? What the hell is the kid going to do with it? Drool on it?
Point taken Sam, and it’s likely the reason I am not the punishing authority. In real terms, the punishment does indeed fit the crime. That does not, however, contain my rage and discord toward this human malignancy.
I’m with you on that finette, spot-on indeed. My father would be persona non grata if I found out he did such a thing.
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Sociopathy can be recognized early in an individual. Before the age of around 15 - 16 years, a child showing sociopathic traits is titled with conduct disorder. Signs of this early stage of sociopathy might include immunity to parental punishment and pain. Other signs may be the torturing of animals, fire setting, vandalism, consistent lying, theft, or aggression towards others.
The bolding is mine. Here’s one of many websites:
http://members.tripod.com/lheanna/sociopat.htm
Non serious?
This piece of phlegm kills kittens and you don’t deem that serious?
Then you compare killing a kitten to killing a chicken for food.
What’s your damage?
What does it say about you that you call what this man did to be non serious and then you criticize people who it disturbs?
Miller said…
So kittens > family in your book? Wonder if that says more about you or your family. Regardless, Daddy isn’t going anywhere: he faces a $5,000 fine and up to 500 hours community service: no jail time.
Miller, I would defend my dog with the same zeal I would defend my SO, and she would do the same, the dog is family, indeed.
I think that says a hell of a lot.
And by the way, he was only freed on 5k bond, he still faces jail time
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up to four years in prison, a $5,000 fine and 500 hours of community service if convicted.
What does it say about you that you call what this man did to be non serious and then you criticize people who it disturbs?
The jail time thing has been dealt with, so…
I thought long and hard about that post before I included it, and even though ‘daddy’ isn’t a good example in my case (long, common story), if my mother, SO, or anyone else I care about did something like this, they would no longer be a part of my life. Your equation isn’t really apt though, because I do not value kittens over people at all, it is my moral revulsion that would turn me away from the perpetrator of such an inexcusable act.
That said, if there was some whacky situation in which your equation would be tested, say both a kitten and a person were in moral peril and I could only save on, I would save the person in almost every case (the exceptions being known ‘evil’ people e.g. Hitler). Hell, I’d even kill a precious little kitty if that was the only way to save a human life, but that’s not the issue here!
I’m sorry if this sounds snippy (even though this is the pit), but I’m trying to let you in on my reasoning.
that’s mortal peril (and I previewed, too!)
boy, it sucks to wait 60 seconds, but I understand why.
At the risk of being a total dick, I have to say that I see NO reason why people get SO worked up about the killing of a cat.
Is it human? No.
Does it ACT like a human? No.
Is it ever going to turn INTO a human? Again, no…
No I am NOT out to kill the cats of the world, as a matter of fact, I have TWO cats that have adopted me as their human BUT…
It ain’t the end of the world ya know…
It reminds me of the people in California that seem to believe that they WILL live forever as long as they can stamp out cigarette smoking…in other words…pointless…
I think the upsetting thing about this act is not so much the fact that the man killed a kitten or that the kitten is dead (cats die all the time), it’s the attitude that went along with it. Why kill the kitten? Why not just take it to the humane society or the local veterinary clinic? Or hell, why not just take it to a field and dump it, if he didn’t want it? (I’m not saying this would have been the best thing to do, only preferable to what he actually did. I’m a known kitty rescuer and sucker for strays). The fact that he acted with such malignant disregard for life bespeaks a disturbing frame of mind, and one not to be compared to killing animals for food. The former indicates an intent to cause suffering; the latter is done humanely and for a purpose. It is the wantonness of tossing a kitten out of the window of a moving car when so many options for getting rid of the cat were available, and the twisted mentality that would cause him to do such a thing, that makes my stomach turn.
Just using this post as an example; others have said the same thing…
There is a difference between killing a kitten and torturing one. The latter is psychotic, the former is mean and callous, but not necessarily in the same ball park.
This guy killed an unwanted kitten. He did it in a somewhat cruel way, yes. But it used to be a common practice (may still be in some places) to kill litters of farm kittens by placing them in a weighted burlap bag and tossing them in a lake. I doubt being thrown out of a car window is any worse than that.
Today, masses of kittens are killed every day in shelters. In a more humane way, it’s true, but the ultimate effect is the same.
I’m not trying to excuse this guy. He deserved to be punished. But comparing him to Jeffrey Dahmer and the like is just a wee bit over the top, IMO.
It’s the reality of the potential, Ferrous. No one compared this mucous plug to Jeffrey Dahmer, it just that behaviour that is indicative of those who would-be serial killers. It’s a sound arguement against the smushing of innocent kittens, if you ask me. Ditto October’s post.
Eh, whatever. I’m certainly not going to take up arms as champion of the Kitten-Killing Bastard. Just trying to provide a little perspective.
You may now carry on with your hysterical outrage.
At the very least, he should be charged with kitty litter.
No one here is hysterical, you patronizing fecal stain.
Your perspective is as empty as your words and obviously your head.
:rolleyes:If that’s not hysterical, it’s a pretty good approximation.
As is the OP fantasizing about murdering this guy, and the several other posters who imply it’s quite likely this guy is going to turn into a serial killer.
But them, maybe people who don’t froth at the mouth calling for the head of kitten killers are likely to become kitten killers themselves, and soon thereafter, serial killers! Maybe I’d better just turn myself in now…
I guess I don’t have any further insight to share, just wanted to add that what this guy did was pretty shitty. I don’t think he’ll become a serial killer; from what I’ve read there’s usually more involved in what animal torturers do than simply killing an animal because it has become an inconvenience.
But I am always alarmed when someone can do something so cold and callous. Just like when boys in high school would brag about deliberately running down raccoons, deer, cats, possums, any critter they saw on the side of the road. It’s just wrong and I hope he’s punished to the extent the law allows.
According to whom? Oh, that’s right…human beings. Seems a little rigged to me.
First, I stand corrected on the jail thing. Don’t know how I missed that. Stupid, really. Now then…
Your dog is one thing. A dog is another. This guy didn’t kill your kitten, he killed a kitten. Not that I see this as remotely relevent to what I posted, which is the idea that you would cut off all contact with a parent who was cruel to animals. That idea boggles my mind. I can think of literally no crime short of serial child murder, where I would cut my dad completely out of my life. Well, unless the crimes were aimed at me specifically. If being around my dad put me (or in the past had put me) in serious physical danger, that’d be one thing. Self preservation is important. But almost anything else is secondary to family. Severing a child-parent bond over animal cruelty is… I don’t know what word I’m looking for here. Just plain wrong, I guess. Then again, that’s easy for me to say, because my dad would never wantonly kill a kitten, so I’m probably never going to have to back that statement up.
That’s right, non-serious.
The guy killed a cat. It was his own cat. I don’t approve of it by any means, but it’s still just a cat. His crime didn’t harm a human in any way, shape, or form. Therefore: non-serious.
Again, correct. I take it you have a problem with the analogy? Feel free to illuminate exactly why you feel it to be less than precise.
Currently, a touch of sunburn.
Not hysterical? Thanks for rebutting your own argument. Saves me time.
How so, exactly? Simply swearing at me, or Ferrous, isn’t going to change either of our minds: got an argument for why our perspective is so empty?
Well, I asked my cat the same question, and she declined to answer. Maybe she’s mulling it over. Until she gets back to me with her opinion of the relative importance of felines v. hominids, I’m going to stick with my “humans on top.”