So, peace, what are you? A useful and beneficial member of this community, or a troll?
Both. A usefull and beneficial troll, so to speak.
so…you’re a troll then…goodie.
a useful one, huh? Let’s see if we understand each other first. Do you know what a troll is?
Are you claiming to be:
- a fishing net on the back of a boat?
- A hideous creature that lives under a bridge and demands money?
- An antagonist of fellow posters for the sole purpose of antaganozation?
Anywho, onto another subject:
You don’t want to give out personal information. Fine. You don’t want to accept anyone else’s credentials and trust them on a post by post basis. Fine again.
But here’s where I get confused. Why is it that you take so much information from unsubstantiated places on the web and pass them off as facts? Why do you not trust fellow dopers but instead you’ll refute them with whatever happens to be out there regardless of the source? In short, why do you believe less reliable information over more reliable information just to start an argument.
Oh wait, I forgot. You’re a troll. A useful one at that. :rolleyes:
peace, what the fuck are you talking about? You don’t want your kids to “figure you out”? Sweet Christ on a corncob, I’m a grown man and I can’t even figure you out. Do your kids regularly check out the SDMB? If so, maybe they’re writing your replies for you, which would explain a lot. Credentials do matter if you’re going to set yourself up as an expert on something. And I’m dubious as to how much you “respect” me. In my last post in this thread, I said “Don’t respond unless you’re going to answer my questions concretely.” And yet you still went ahead and obfuscated with your response. All you had to do was not reply if you didn’t want to give me the info, but you couldn’t even do that (as I suspected you wouldn’t), so now you’ve pissed me off.
As a fellow human being, I do respect you. As an authority, you can lick my rectum. I have kids, too, but they sure as hell don’t check out the threads on the BBQ Pit, as it doesn’t involve Pokemon or Final Fantasy IX. And if they did come here, I simply woudn’t post shit I knew they were gonna read if I thought it was unsuitable for them. And by the way, maybe I’m an idiot, but I have a hard time picking up your accent from your written correspondence.
Look, I’m sure you’re a decent guy (woman?) and all, but when you’ve got this many people attacking you it should tell you something. Just pay attention to what you say, that’s all we’re asking.
I’ve got some bad news for you, sunshine. It’s already a problem.
I was worried that it might be showing, and this confirms my fears.
Eh. I don’t like to discuss details anymore. Ask another lesbian. FTR, the following people here are lesbians:
**andygirl (A.K.A., the “Dark Princess”)
quietgirldownthehall (consort to the “Dark Princess”)
karynn
Tiburon
Neuro Trash Grrl
Peculiar Pixie
beakerxf
Eutychus55
**
Enjoy. 
Not so, peace, Manhattan gave you some restrictions of your very own, to wit:
We also have our Number One Rule: Don’t be a jerk.
Damn! I must have missed that edition of the SDMB Newsletter… I never would have guessed.
OK, this is true. Very few people here on the Board know who I am IRL, and fewer have ever met me - in fact, only two people here have ever met me - Aenea and Fierra.
You don’t know if I am a lesbian or not, because you have no first contact knowledge. You don’t know if I am female, transgendered, male, or a computer.
But look, man. I have 2060+ posts, and have been a part of this community for 10 months or so. My thoughts, feelings, emotions, ideas, opinions, character, experiences, anecdotes, and demeanor have become apparant, and been laid out for all to see in those 2060+ posts.
Look at them - do you, or anyone else, think I am “faking”? Do you have evidence that I have carried on a charade, about being female gender, lesbian, an engineer, interested in coal and coal power plants? That I could steadfastly and continuously run some sort of charade for so long and so many posts if these were not things that I felt to my soul, and were true? And that I could maintain my personna without break or mishap or “slip-up” through hundreds of hours of chat, and hundreds of e-mails? I would have to be completely pyschotic, or the most masterful version of Serlin ever to carry off such a feat. Imagine the effort and discipline to “stay in character” for so many thousands of situations and encounters. If I could fake how I feel and what I am inside that well, I would be in politics.
I am what I am. Regardless of whether I am a 98-year old Filipina woman in Pisa, Italy, or a 13-year old boy in Scranton, PA, I think it’s clear to see that I post what I am inside. The rest does not matter - or should not. And it does no good to keep saying things like “you may be this, or you may be that, I do not know if you are real or not…” I don’t look at people who I have seen around the SDMB for more than a month and ask “who are they? Are they really who they say they are? Why should I believe them?”
You cannot rely on false authority syndrome, true. But after a while, one can surely mentally seperate the wheat from the chaff, the pathological liars from those who are honest, the braggarts from the highly-experienced, the trolls from the silly, and the simply banal from the truly anal.
By being overly secretive and not putting foth any background info at all, it becomes difficult for people to take you seriously. A delicate balance, but true.
Well, hey, people, I wanna go on the record here as saying I don’t think Peace is a troll. Peace, you are incorrect in labeling yourself a troll. A troll is someone who posts aggravating nonsense just to be aggravating. Your stuff is sometimes aggravating, and it’s sometimes nonsense ( 
), but I don’t think you’re posting it just to BE aggravating.
And actually, this statement–“credentials do not matter; here they become totally irrelevant”–is not true. Credentials DO matter here; they are just as relevant as they would be anywhere else. But we’re not talking about professional credentials, as in “where did you do your post-doctorate work?” We’re talking about “areas of expertise”. I have no “credentials” as a physicist, therefore I wouldn’t dream of posting to a GQ thread about physics. If I did, and I made a bad call, and someone called me on it, I would not be able to substantiate my claim, because I don’t have any credentials as a physicist.
However, I do have credentials as a female, as a wife, as a mom, as a WASP, as a birdwatcher, as a dog-owner, as a person who knows how to breed zebra finches in captivity and drive a stick shift and fix a toilet that won’t stop running and a whole lot of other things, and with these things I am comfortable offering advice. If somebody thinks I’ve made a bad call, I can (usually) back myself up.
We’re not interested in specifics like “where did you do your residency?” We’re just curious about generally where you’re from, and what your background is. Me, I’m a middle-aged middle-class moderately-educated medium-size housewife living in the Midwest.
FWIW, my money’s definitely on “India”. 
My kids look in here, too, from time to time, and I wouldn’t expect them to be particularly shocked to see Mom talking about clitoral erections or oral sex. If they’re old enough to be browsing the Straight Dope instead of hanging out at pokemasters.com or bmg.com, they’re old enough to handle what they find here (even the coprophilia threads :rolleyes: ).
I’ve always suspected Eastern Europe, possibly the erstwhile USSR, and maybe even with a stop along the way in eretz yisrael.
This place:http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies”; which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”;, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don’t fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.
gives several versions (see further down the page) of TROLL; one of them is (not verbatim) <to post to have fun>. I plead guilty to that: sometimes my only purpose is to have fun. We are all different; some are born with a better-developed sense of humor than others. Some people see my humor at a mile distance; others swallow it the with the rest of the gear, before they realize. It does not make them better or worse but it makes me laugh.
Sometimes the opposite happens: I am very serious but (for whatever reason) people do not take me seriously. Then it’s their turn to laugh. Life sux.
ENDERW: But here’s where I get confused. Why is it that you take so much information from unsubstantiated places on the web and pass them off as facts?
Only inadvertently. I cannot check any of the websites (against what ‘golden standard’?). I leave it to anyone to do their own checks by their own standards.
ENDERW: Why do you not trust fellow dopers but instead you’ll refute them with whatever happens to be out there regardless of the source?
I do. It does not mean I must accept EVERYTHING they say. Example: if you say that “Fords” are the best American cars, I may accept it (if I never owned a car) or may reply that in my experience, “Fords” were so-so, and “Pontiacs” were better.
ENDERW: In short, why do you believe less reliable information over more reliable information just to start an argument.
Some of us trust only Reuters, some Sunday Suppliment. “More” and “less” is in the eye of the beerholder (I did it on purpose: one likes This brand and one likes That brand; which one is better?).
BIRD:** peace, what the fuck are you talking about? You don’t want your kids to “figure you out”? Sweet Christ on a corncob, I’m a grown man and I can’t even figure you out. Do your kids regularly check out the SDMB? If so, maybe they’re writing your replies for you, which would explain a lot.**
My kids are grown. I do not know what they do on the web. There are things you do not want your wife to know about you and there are things you do not want your kids to know about you. And there are things you do not want your colleagues to know about you. If I told you that I lived in Peoria (any state) and worked for the city government and you know my profession and that ESL for me, how long will it take you to say: “Shit! I know him!”
Credentials do matter if you’re going to set yourself up as an expert on something.
Perhaps. But how can I prove them? You got to trust me, right? Example: Somebody named Morris (sp) asked here about oral sex. He said he knew all the techniks, it was the etymology of blowing vs. sucking that interested him. I do not know who could consider himself an
"expert” in this area; a few people, including me, offered our guesses. A short “discussion’ followed; from Morris’s language I deduced that he was a teenager. I think that Morris’s parents should be concerned with his education, not me. I don’t do anything like child pornography but this being the web, it is beyond my control, and if ‘smart’ teenagers like Morris, decide to fool me, they’ll always win. Morris went further and tried to pretend that he was a medical student. Yet, not only did he misspelled many common words, his knowledge of anatomy was beneath that of a average lay person’s. I concluded that he was not “an expert” he was claiming he was. It did not matter what credentials he “demonstrated”.
We all tend to believe Cecil. Because of the info he provides, because of the consistency of it, because he always says: "I do not know” when that’s the case, etc. Not because he published his diplomas.
** And I’m dubious as to how much you “respect” me.**
Not as much as my minister, of course. I do not know you, after all. But enough to take your word when it matters, according to my rules, as above.
In my last post in this thread, I said “Don’t respond unless you’re going to answer my questions concretely.” And yet you still went ahead and obfuscated with your response. All you had to do was not reply if you didn’t want to give me the info, but you couldn’t even do that (as I suspected you wouldn’t), so now you’ve pissed me off.
Sorry about that. I do not do that, unless I see (“I see”, i.e., perhaps you did not put it in there, but I saw that way, I can make mistakes, I am human. If you think I did, tell me, and we will correct any misunderstanding. Calling me names won’t do much) something offensive, or stupid. I can’t recall the thread: please, remind me.
As a fellow human being, I do respect you. As an authority, you can lick my rectum.
Exactly my point.
And by the way, maybe I’m an idiot, but I have a hard time picking up your accent from your written correspondence.
‘Accent’ was an expression. What is the corresponding term for written language? Brockened English?
CHIEF: Not so, peace, Manhattan gave you some restrictions of your very own, to wit: From this point forward, you will post in good faith, as if you were answering a question from your mother or best friend.
In my response to him, I said that I always post in good faith; but he never replied back.
UNA, I believe who you are. I usually believe people. One cannot fool all people all of the time. See what I said about Morris above. But I “saw” him because I knew about oral sex, teenagers, etc. I do not know much about lesbianism, so I guess you, if you wanted, could fool me some time, but not for long. I could have said that I am WASP, like Duck. Would you believe me? But you believe that I know something about biology or ethanol because I could carry conversation about these topics with experts (doctors and bartenders, respectively) and ‘amateurs’ (who may often know more than ‘experts’). Actually, you made my point better than I did. People here take you, Una, for what you say you are, without asking you for fucking ‘credentials’ (pun unintended). Why do they use different criteria for me? If I claimed to be a homosexual, how long would I lasted here as such?
DUCK: My kids look in here, too, from time to time, and I wouldn’t expect them to be particularly shocked to see Mom talking about clitoral erections or oral sex.
I understand. My kids do not see me as asexual spirit, either. But let’s say, we become romantically involved on the web (you hear the stories?) Do you want them to know?
Peace
No. If the past teaches us anything, you would reply that: no no ford’s are “not” the best american car. to be speak of cars inded, but I have known Pontiacs. as the “qualified” mechanics on this board could tell you, fuel injections “are” not a carburators. you should go back to car shool. Next question, please.
So he can’t spell, doesn’t know much what he’s talking about, and knows less than the average lay person? Wow, I’m seein’ double here! squink squink
As to spelling errors, this is all of them- parellel, recieving, refering, travelled, and occured. Incredibly common spelling errors, many of which I make myself. As to him being “an expert”? He never claimed that, you ass. He casually mentioned being in med school. The only medical stuff he mentions is how air shouldn’t get into the blood through the urethra or deferens, and that DIC is blood clotting in the vascular system. Out of the fucking blue (surprise surprise!) you mention biliary ducts, which have nothing to do with anything being discussed, and had not been brought up by anybody before then. Which one of you knows nothing about medicine and can’t spell for shit? Oh that’s right- him.
We only started using different criteria because you began to spew out the shittiest scientific and medical mumbo-jumbo I’ve ever seen. Before then, we took you at your word. I myself didn’t regard you differently until the Flu shot thread. Even then, it was more of a “Huh? Can that be right?” Then you started to contradict yourself, make shit up, and generally act like an arrogant asshole. Worse yet, a damned stupid arrogant asshole.
That’s why we use a different criteria for you. You brought it upon yourself, dude.
That is correct. That is also why I have no reason to believe a single goddamned thing you say.
More utter bullshit, at least where this MB is concerned. You have been one of the most psycopathically suspicious and distrustful posters on this board. All one has to do is read your last post to see that.
In short, if you knew anything about medicine, you’d see that you are nothing but a pus-filled carbuncle on the ass of the Straight Dope Message Board. Please die.
jb
Jb:** That is correct. That is also why I have no reason to believe a single goddamned thing you say.**
Wrong. This is not a zero-sum game. In other words, you can trust both Cecil AND me. Not that I am going to compete with him for your attention, but you can trust (or not) two sources at the time.
In short, if you knew anything about medicine, you’d see that you are nothing but a pus-filled carbuncle on the ass of the Straight Dope Message Board. Please die.
Jb, as much as I know about medicine (or do not know): I can diagnose something in you. I can’t name it but the condition includes hatred of people (me) you never saw or met, that is, hatred of abstractions. Does your wish imply “Die on your own” or would you not pass a chance to kill me if it presented itself?
In either case, see a doctor.
Very concerned Peace
I’ve been puzzling over our friend (?) peace for several months now, & the only theory I can come up with is this: he types a line of his post. Then he licks his finger & sticks it into the electric socket.
After the smoke clears, he gives a giddy, screw-headed grin & begins typing all over again.
It goes on this way all night.
peace Please refrain from giving anymore “expert” opinions which you derive from reading a quick “google” search. This does not make you an expert.
Please quit giving anymore “expert” opinions which come from your “experience.” You seem to post to questions/threads as if you have either researched the topic fully/ or have a professional level of knowledge about the subject. You have never shown that you have any professional qualifications which entitle you to post “authoritative” answers. You post your opinions, which experience has taught us, are usually predjudiced, uninformed, unreliable, biased, half-assed assertions which you perceive as truth as you know it but, in fact, are only that.
You have been called-out by scores of posters who have shown that your statements are wrong. Not just somebodies opinion that you are wrong, but that you are a FUCKING-ASS, ILLOGICAL, POORLY-RESEARCHED, WRONG-HEADED, ETHNICITY-BIASED(IS THAT A WORD?), LOST-IN-SPACE, MADE-UP-ON-THE-SPOT, PARA-FUCKING-NOID, COREY-SPEAKING, JIBBERISH-OFFERING, GENERATIONALLY-CHALLENGED, SEXUALLY-FRUSTRATED, EGOMANIAC who has trouble accepting help.
The first step might be accepting that *you * might be wrong on one of your proffered opinions.
The good news is, that many here still feel that you are worth redemption. Unbelievable as it may be, that is my sense of the thread.
Did I say "please don’t offer your “top-of-the-head” opinion on subjects, unless they are posted in MPSIMS or IMHO. Stay out of GQ for now. Let it rest.
SAMCLEM:** peace Please refrain from giving anymore “expert” opinions which you derive from reading a quick “google” search. This does not make you an expert.**
Why the rant? Which post provoked it or was the proverbial straw? I never based my opinions on Google and such. As Duck, I know a few things (e.g., how to start a car or clean a toilet) for which credentials are usually not required, even if they physically exist. In short, give me at least ONE example, which would be without the root ‘fuck’ (If you could).
Peace
It was the proverbial straw. Not just one post.
To give a pointless nitpick on my part, you said
You picked this up from a quick, obviously under-researched look at the WEB. Then you posted it. Your obviously biassed opinions about political correctness dictated that you post a comment about which you had superficial knowledge. Nevermind that you might be right. You posted it because it reinforced your opinion and it fit your feelings at that point. I could go back and nitpick your posts to death. But it wouldn’t change your mind.
I first ran into you in a post about voters in Florida. You gave your opinion as fact, and I called you on it. Now, almost two months later, you are still giving your opinion as fact. But, dammit, you still seem redeemable.
Give one example? Oh dear god you have to be kidding…
What am I missing here? peace admits to being a troll. He accuses other posters of being drunk. He repeatedly posts bizarre information.
Where’s the redemption potential here? He’s shown virtually no good faith in any thread on this board.
peace, I don’t know why I’m bothering, but…
Your kids are adults ? Yeah, you wouldn’t want them reading your posts on clitori and stuff, then. THey might actually think you’re interested in gasp sexual subjects! Oh, and by telling us where you live and what your field of expertise is, your kids are going to be able to deduce it’s you? Because nobody else could possibly live in the same area code and have the same job, right? Fine, then you’ve answered that question for me: you live in Mayberry.
You don’t recall the thread I posted that in? How about SCROLLING UP THE PAGE A FEW INCHES? As I stated in the actual sentence you quoted, I posted it in THIS THREAD. You’ve got to stop jumping around the forums trying to answer every question on the boards and maybe you’ll remember this stuff.
Yes, peace, the corresponding term for ‘accent’ in written language is “brockened english.” Why the hell not? Since I have no idea what the actual word would be, some made-up gibberish works just fine for me. Congratulations, you’ve just coined another new phrase.
peace, I’ve seen clogged toilets that were less full of shit than you. Oh, and I think I’ve read enough of your posts to finally figure out your ancestry: you hail from the moon.
Aw, what’s the point? I’m not trying to hurt your feelings, OK? Just promise me you’ll try to think before you post (and by that I don’t mean rationalizing all your idiotic statements - I know you’re good at that). Jeez. I can’t wait for the response to this.