I believe Cardillo. I actually recommend we start cranking out hydroxychloroquine + zinc, and doctors PROPHYLACTICALLY give it to people they think need it to be safe, and we start the economy back up.
What you have listed are opinions - however opinions are not evidence, even the greatest minds in science have had ‘opinions’ and have turned out to be spectacularly wrong - Einstein being one of them. This in turn led to other physicists taking the same line because they saw Einstein as an ‘authority’ without actually scientifically examining his assertions about quantum physics
The name of the person expressing information is actually irrelevant - it is the provable information that is important - there have been advances in medical science especially that have almost been undermined simply because the person making claims didn’t have the respect of the scientific community - they were not seen as being authoritative simply because they didn’t fit the mould - they were not seen as being ‘one of the chosen ones’.
for example these two were not taken particularly seriously at first because they were not seen as ‘authority’
Having peer reviewed work gets around this problem because evidence cannot be refuted, but that evidence has to be testable to others in the scientific community.
The danger that you present is that you are accepting title and names as ‘authority’ instead of looking at the provable evidence. You should ignore the job titles of individuals and look at the quality of their output.
You ‘sources’ are actually nothing more than the mention of a couple of names, any idiot can name names, this is how pseudoscience works - which then ends up with a daisy chain of quotes that go around the idiots who keep requoting each other instead of linking to evidence.
So, you are correct in your assumption that your cites are not ‘sources’ and I am pleased to observe that you have understood that fact. If you wish to progress your theory then by all means - but please do so by citing evidence and not the names of people who have awarded themselves specious titles - remember that the names of the scientists are not at all relevant - its the quality of their work.
Thanks for responding.
I’m astonished that you think this miracle cure exists that would save thousands upon thousands of lives and people are just ignoring it. New York is desperate for help and if this really worked, they would be using it – can you imagine clearing out all their COVID-19 patients in 8-12 hours, symptom-free?
I feel like I have little more to be gained by this thread, so I’ll say thanks again for responding and sign out of here.
We are actually in agreement on that. It boggles my mind that you don’t see that.
To the other poster about NY being desperate for help:
So much wrong in one simple sentence.
Haven’t you guys learned by now that Jim doesn’t do research in the normal sense? He looks for what he wants to hear and then pushes that relentlessly no matter how many times it’s refuted. He’s our Charlie Brown, forever running to kick that football. He wants to believe. Unfortunately, the world is his Lucy.
The evidence for this stuff working as a treatment is thin, anecdotal, self- contradictory, and goes against every single thing that modern medicine knows about viral diseases.
But that’s still more than exists for the claims that it works as a preventative. Not even your quacks are saying that.
As mentioned, that magic pill doesn’t work. People taking it still get COVID. If magic pills worked, we’d see many happy reports, not drone videos of mass unmarked graves.
Some believe in water-witching and divining for minerals etc. If dousing worked, I would expect major mining and petroleum outfits to support witching academies and not bother with all that costly hardware and geological training. Has anyone tried dousing for COVID yet? Rev Ken Copeland will cure you through a TV screen. How well does that work?
Known quacks push your magic pills. Sad. No, more than sad: tragically toxic.
Edit window missed. Get the full Kenneth Copeland treatment. (SFW)
I don’t know why Jim Peebles doesn’t want to try patients on Kaletra and Bismuth. After all, here are doctors who say that is works better than chloroquine. Why pick just one miracle cocktail when you can find people claiming that there are better ones out there?
Maybe this is the reason that China has so few deaths compared to the US[/anybody can make up a CT]
I have lived in Beijing for six years now. I can count the total number of people I have seen in this city in that entire time vaping on one hand. The Chinese are not “freaking out”, nor are they vaping in large numbers.
And science does not work the way you seem to have described it in your posts in this thread.
YOU recommend? YOU? Based on what evidence and expertise?
For every complex problem there is always someone who comes along, with little to no credentials or evidence, offering a solution that is straight forward, simple, and WRONG.
You ACTUALLY have no fucking idea what the hell you’re talking about. You ACTUALLY should leave recommendations to qualified experts who provide peer reviewed evidence. Because taking advice from unqualified sources who recommending doing dumb things quickly is likely to lead to a much larger problem.
I’ve long suspected that someone close to Trump reads the Dope. So we should enjoy Jim Pee while we can; once they see this thread, he’ll be on his way to Washington to head The Donald’s Very Smart Trump Pills Strike Force Think Tank Alpha.
…In Spaaaaace!
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Jim Peebles. Please stop spreading misinformation. Not only does it not help, but there’s a very real possibility of causing considerable harm. If any of these treatments are proven to become effective, you won’t hear about it from Trump, or on Dr. Oz, etc… You’ll hear about it from the FDA, CDC, WHO, etc. We all have to do our part during this crisis and that means staying home as much as possible, practice social distancing, washing your hands, and not spreading misinformation. Thanks.
Hey Jim
Now here’s a fast track study I can fully get behind, and it will probably save more lives than Hydroxychloroquine!
Besides other issues with the OP’s discredited study that have already been mentioned, there’s this:
It sure seems like even the study’s authors recognized that there are potential dangers in using these drugs, and not everybody can tolerate them.
And, while it’s been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it must be emphasized that, of the people who got the treatment, not all of them completed the study.
Among the reasons that some didn’t finish the study - they went to the ICU…or died.
What about the guy who died, Jim? What about him?
Plenty of time to address this, but so far nothing.
I wonder if OP has heard about our lord and savior ivermectin yet.