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Look at it this way: I really, really love Carla Gugino, but that doesn’t make it any more likely that I’ll ever get the chance to make motorboat noises between those beautiful breasts.
Meh. It was fun, but not all that great. 
I will wait for more serious posts. One does not win a debate by default.
No, one generally has to present evidence.
Woah.
You mean you didn’t die?
I don’t know how long I was “gone” for the day I drowned and I certainly do not have memories of anything concerning this world during the time. I do know I was underwater for quite a while before being dragged up and revived.
My memories of shortly before and shortly after the incident are as fuzzy as anything else 30 years ago, but the time during I remember clear as a bell.
I can’t recall anything that I could describe as “sensory” or coming from a sensory input. It was more of a feeling, as if peace could be used as an emotion and the idea of security stripped of all material elements until only the bare essence of serenity and safety remain.
I remember the first breath that was water burned, the second one not so much. Then no other “physical” sensations only emotional ones.
Could this be my oxygen starved brain misfiring as I neared death? Perhaps, I don’t feel as if it was but it is possible. Could this be that for an indeterminate time I existed only as essence? A soul freed from the trappings of this mortal world? Again perhaps, this is how I understand these feelings. Could this understanding be a mental coping excercise to shelter my psyche from further damage to itself? All of these are possible, none are provable… yet.
I will have a final answer to the question of life after death. An irrefutable answer to any question in my heart about souls and spirits, God and His angels. I just figure I’ll have to wait another 30 - 40 years before that happens (God willing).
Until then I live my life as my heart and mind dictate (ok, my mind, my heart as related to emotion is just another part of my mind). Perhaps I have the God Gene and this is why I associate all of this with something spiritual, perhaps not. Perhaps the God Gene is a concept drawn up by a disenfranchised english fellow hardened by his own experience who is living as his “heart” and mind dictate. He’ll figure it all out some day as well, as did his friend Douglas already has (RIP Marvin).
If you ain’t even been dead yet you don’t get the cred to join the Dead Men’s Club. Back up your claims with more concrete information.
If you will note, Czarcasm made no claim (in the quoted post) regarding NDEs. He explicitly noted that according to lekatt’s own testimony, no NDE occurred. (You can click on any of lekatt’s links and find the episode recounted somewhere on that site–in the manner described by Czarcasm.)
Most of the people on this planet have been wrong about a lot of things,going back to the flat earth, and the earth being the center of the universe, so because you make no claim that can be substantiated I will not be able to open my mind or yours.
Does the fly I squash also live on forever?
Monavis
I really have no idea what the mods are talking about.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I enjoyed reading it. As far as I know we have never really discussed the definition of NDEs on this board. But you will find as many definitions as there are researchers. Each near death experience is unique to the individual who has it. Some are light, love and peace, while others contain discussions of whether one will go back to the body or not. Still others have many elements to them including life reviews. I think it would be a good idea for you to read some of them. After my original experience I had many more teaching experiences. I am in almost daily contact with my guides. I have included a link to my experience for you to read and decide on your own, my site contains almost 300 experiences if you care to read them. I wish you good luck.
Yes. But not necessarily as a fly.
None of the definitions of NDE say anything about having a bad dream, unless it is your own personal definition, in which case it might be better if you let people know that what you are talking about is a Near Dream Experience.
…and I still have no idea what you are talking about.
Czarcasm is implying (and has expressly stated earlier in the thread) that your near death experience consisted of a bad dream and a self-diagnosed heart attack, and so you have no proof at all of having died in the first place. He also said that at some point you’ve admitted this.
Is this inaccurate? Can anyone corroborate any details of your NDE, specifically that you actually at some point died?
If anything, what he describes sounds more like a seizure than a heart attack. I would think that if you have a heart attack you’d know. I also don’t think you’d be able to just get up the next morning and do your daily business.
*I am not a doctor. These are just my guesses
Thank you for the link and the background story. From what I read there you describe an OBE instead of NDE. What information do you have to make the association with the NDE instead of the OBE?
I have spoke with several people who claim to have had some sort of OBE or another. Some are dramatically changed as you describe themselves and some simply view it as another experience.
One of my favorites was a fellow I worked with for 8 years. He said when he was 16 he was hanging out by a creek huffing paint thinner. He got up to go piss in the creek. As he pissed the sky split open and half of the world fell off into darkness. He felt drawn to each side and heard a voice say “Choose now”. He lept toward the lighter side, tumbled over some bushes and landed near his friends whose response was “Huh?” He was changed by the experience in that he found a belief in a creator but his life did not change much, same habits etc. His belief in a creator came with his inner understand that unconditional spiritual love was truly unconditional so he just never really worried about things like religion or church or stuff. Course this could have all been the paint thinner as well.
I would like to see his proof first of what he says happened to me. He has harrassed me almost from day one that I have posted here.
That is your second accusation of harassment in the wrong forum.
I believe your friend got a wake up call, too bad he didn’t listen. It is true that God is unconditional love, and will never harm you in any way. But that does not mean you can do anything you want without being corrected. Whatever you do to others or yourself comes back to you. That is a guarantee. You will feel the pain you caused others in this life in a review after death of the body. There are some experiencers that have gone through a life review, and found it to be very painful. Read “Saved by the Light,” by Dannion Brinkley, Paul Perry, and Raymond A. Moody. Dannion describes his life review as the most painful experience he ever had. This is not punishment, rather a teaching of what your deeds and actions had on others and how they felt.
Now, nearly all NDEs begin with an OBE. From there a classical NDE usually has these elements, a feeling of being surrounded by love, caring, and compassion. Gaining a large amount of knowledge about the worlds, both physical and spiritual. Then there is usually a conversation with a light being about going back to the body or going into the spiritual world through death. This is why they are called near death experiences. There are many more elements to the experience, some have them and some don’t. The experiencer is left totally changed in beliefs, thoughts, and desires. The experiencer is also healed by the experience. Then starts a long journey of integration. Trying to reconcile what you were before the experience with what you became from the experience. It took me three years to do it with the help of other experiencers. It was and still is the most beautiful experience I have ever had.
I realize there is not much background to my experience, so I will give some here.
I had a heart attack on Jan. 1, 1987, after eating a big meal at the mall. I was diagnosed by a heart specialist as having some severely blocked heart blood vessels, he wanted me to go directly to the hospital for surgery. In questioning him I found out the surgery could cause death, so I refused the surgery for that reason and also having no money. If I was to die I would not leave my family deep in debt. He gave me a bunch of pills with the instruction to get to the ER if the pain came back. He also told me I would not live six months without the surgery. It was about six weeks later that I had my experience. I had been trying to walk and lose weight in the meantime. I knew I has healed during the experience, but it took about 15 more months before I was totally back. Yes, my doctor couldn’t believe what happened, I never told him about the NDE. They just don’t know about such things. I hope this helps, now if anyone wants further proof let them hire a PI and go after it.
Who diagnosed you as having a heart attack at the time of your “NDE”, and who told that you were near death at that time?
Who diagnosed you as having a heart attack at the time of your “NDE”, and who told you that you were near death at that time?