Here is a link to a description which has the phone numbers to the companies who make this device. From the description it looks like they have become even more sophisticated since I got mine. WHatever the case, the cost is minimal considering the safety of your home.
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Highly skilled horses never miss their jump, because missing a jump would show a lack of skill.
Trained atheletes never lose because losing shows a lack of training.
Skilled drivers never have accidents, because accidents show a lack of skill.
Responsible gun owners outnumber morons millions to one? You can’t be serious. Go through all the threads in this message board alone concerning the shooting of home intruders, and compare the number of “I’ll shoot 'em with old Bessie as soon as they pop their heads through the window!” posts to posts about guns with magnetic locks on them.
I did some research on magnetic ring locks, myself.
Smartlock’s Magloc Ring has a grand total of only four different combinations currently. If you went for another type of magnetic ring, Tarnhelm’s Magna-Trigger Ring is even easier to use-one ring unlocks all guns!
Uh, Center mass. 
I have never been more serious. Every day, upwards of 220 million firearms owners, keeping their firearms in total safety, kill nobody. And not only does this message board NOT represent a cross section of the American culture, it also does not by any means signify intelligence, or responsibility, or even common sense. Hell, you and I are both here: I rest my case
Whatever the case, statistically, you’ll win the lottery quite a few times before you get shot by a responsible firearms owner. Unless you break into his house in the first place.
As for the rings: I, myself, have never met an intruder who had even one. Have you? Please cite the number of home intruders who regularly wear the rings required to fire these firearms. Oh, you can’t? I see. Are you suggesting to potential home intruders that they equip themselves with these “tools of the trade”? if so that’s really nice. Thanks for being such a humanitarian.
I tend to not engage in discussions about firearms. I prefer not to have engaged in this one. I answered an OP as clearly and succinctly as posssible, making sure that I emphasised the most important point of all: There are very few reasons to take a human life, and you have to think long and hard about the ramifications of doing that. This was my most important message to the OP’er, because often people don’t think about that until the very last moment, which is far too late. I notice you never addressed this issue, and went immediately to standard anti-gun attack rhetoric.
Listen, Czar, you’ve already made up your mind what’s best for you. You’re not going to dissuade me and I have no interest in dissuading you. I’m not here to engage in discussions which only end up in shouting matches, so lets just agree to disagree, mmmmkay? Besides, would you rather people looked at this board and found threads were people were being responsible about firearms ownership, or “I’ll shoot 'em with old Bessie as soon as they pop their heads through the window!”? Myself, I prefer to promote the former and discourage the latter, otherwise I wouldn’t have sounded off on the subject.
BTW, the vast majority of morons with weapons are easily spotted; at the risk of profiling I’m going to guess that you’re going to find a LOT more morons with firearms in gang territories (as in fact, in trailer parks of the kind usually shown on C.O.P.S.) than in the tree lined neighborhoods of Naperville, IL.
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Here in Eastern NC a friend of mine came home from work early and surprised two teenage burgalars. As they fled across the yard he shot one of the boys in the back. He was found not guilty by Jury in Johnston County NC.
A couple years later Angel Guevera shot and killed a 22 year old Deputy Sheriff face to face after the Deputy smashed his front door in with no warrant and no back up. Mr. Guevera was home with his four children at the time and had refused to answer the door. He was wanted for passing a bad check in N.Y. Mr Guevera was also tried by Jury in Johnston County NC. He is now on death row. What does it mean? This question can only be answered by the Jury you face. Keep that in mind before you shoot anyone.
220,000,000 firearms holders in the U.S.? The total population is only 280,000,000 and change. I assume the above was an error. What is the correct number, and where did you get the information from?
the correct number is 222 million as of 1994, found [here](http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/research/publications/reports/1990-95/reports/siter_rpt_en.html#7.0 UNITED STATES).
The cite shows number of firearms total, but IIRC,the “average” owner has one firearm. Kinda makes you think, doesn’t it? the “conventional wisdom” is that everyone out there with a firearm is using it to gun someone down or will be, soon. Fact of the matter is that the vast majority of firearms owners are responsible, as I suggested earlier.
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So highly skilled people don’t have accidents or make fatal mistakes, only “morons” do? Interesting. 
I’m also having a bit of trouble with the claim that, out of 280 million people, 222 million are gun owners. Are you claiming that close to 80% of Americans own guns?
BTW, I refuse to apologize for listing the sites of the companies, and giving accurate information about the product you are touting as a safe means of gun control. I am a humanitarian, your sarcasm aside, and I have always felt that accurate information is always the best weapon.
Thank you very much. Again, I hate to nag you, and this likely belongs in GQ, but are there any figures on how reliable it is, specifically whether or not it always fires for the person who has the ring? What has been your personal experience on this?
Every situation and setup is different, with its own set of rules.
I am utterly alone, and have several locks on all doors. My cats are locked securely up at night in their own comfortable room. NOTHING should be moving in my house, for any reason, between the hours of 11:00 pm to 7:00 am. Thus, I can assume that anything that is large and moving is there to rape me again.
I don’t recall any recommendation by any pro-gun group about storing the weapon and ammo in separate places. This is the thought of such anti-gun people as HCI, the media, and most all Democrats I have met.
There are no children allowed in my house at any time. No one is allowed in my bedroom at any time. Actually, I have very few guests, on the order of once every 4 months or so, as few people want to come visit mean old Una for a drink or to chat. I have no problems having my loaded gun out and about, and at night, if I get scared, I will carry it with me and set it by my laptop as I am on the Net.
As I said, every situation is different.
Oh. I missed this.
Well, I learned from the past thread(s) on the right to defend yourself in your own home that people are pretty much divided into two discrete camps, and neither side will ever convince the other of the merit of their position. And both sides have a lot of trouble even understanding why the other might have a point.
As I’ve said numerous times before - the problem with this is that it’s easy and fun to sit around and discuss calmly situations that are not actually happening, and to carefully plan out what you are going to do. Reality is - there is a person or persons in your home, you’ve been raped before, you’ve sworn you will die before you let it happen again, and you know that no one whatsoever should be in your house. You do not have the time to play 20-questions with an intruder to find out if they are a drunk who somehow managed to get past your secure door and locks, or some kids who broke in “just to have fun” (like Alex and his Droogs?), or a rabid wolverine. They all are going to be fired at, because no one will ever exert this force on me again and make me a victim. It is the most terrible thing that ever happened to me, and it destroyed my life. The risk of that happening again is too terrible to think about. So yes, I will be grabbing my gun, aiming, and yelling not to come any closer, and to get the fuck out. And if there is any threatening move at all, I will shoot to kill and likely keep shooting until the gun is empty.
And it will be a terrible thing. I will have likely killed someone (it’s hard to imagine that I won’t, having shot someone 30+ times with a Mini-14), and taken away all that they are and all that they ever would have been. Their family, friends, loved ones, wife or husband will grieve and be devastated themselves. Many lives will be disrupted. When I shoot this person, their blood, urine, and feces will cover everything, and I likely will have to have major housework done, and not be able to live there - what does one do, just walk around the 8-foot bloodstain on the carpet every morning? And how do I look at that spot, or stand in that room, knowing a life was ended there by my own hand? I would have to move, and fast. People at work will look at me with thinly-disguised horror. My family will disown me. The few friends I have IRL will avoid me like a dead possum. The police, in this current anti-gun hysteria atmosphere, will make my life a living hell, and take away my $1500 gun. I may face criminal penalties, likely not in Kansas, but will likely face being sued.
I realize these things. But I will not have my body profaned again - by anyone. I’m not shooting to “protect my TV”, as is the crap response thrown out by the anti-gun crowd so often. I am shooting to protect my own dignity, my body, and my life.
Yes. Absolutely. Where firearms are concerned, skilled people don’t have accidents or make fatal mistakes, only “morons” do. Would you like me to say it again? Is there some part of this you don’t understand?
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No. Read. Americans own 222 million guns, (as of 1994) Some own more than one. Many own only one. but there are in excess of 222 million guns in the USA. And I’m not claiming anything, I’m quoting. And citing.
If you read the posts before spouting off, you’ll clearly see my sarcasm was directed at anyone who would suggest to potential intruders to carry tools which would allow them to bypass security systems put in place by responsible firearms owners to protect themselves. If you look at the thread you’ll see that I myself posted the information about the locks first, I made NO REFERENCE to your posting cites, I specifically stated that it was (sarcasm) very humanitarian of you to suggest to potential home invaders to equip themselves with these “tools of the trade”.
I have provided accurate information. I have made it clear that to be a responsible firearms owner, precautions are taken. Instead of accepting the absolute fact, based on the sheer volume of numbers, that the vast majority of firearms owners are far more responsible than you are capable of giving them credit for, you continue to question cited facts and assume, totally incorrectly, that the anti- firearm rhetoric you have been indoctrinated with is the only truth.
I am NOT interested in arguing firearms. I have made this clear. I am NOT interested in trying to convince you of anything, your mind is clearly closed on the subject, and I couldn’t open it if I wanted to. I have responded to your rhetoric with cites and logic, and you have responded with disbelief and closedmindedness. Drop it, already. Okay, I lose, all firearms are naughty and only night watchmen being paid minimum wage, cops, and criminals should have them. Will that make you stop?
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[sub]jees, you try to post a reasonable response to a straightforward post and the next thing you know you’re dealing with this crap[/sub]
Not at all. I have never had trouble firing my weapon when wearing the ring. I have never been able to get it to do anything while not wearing it.
When I had the modifications made I was very curious how well they would work. I put the gun in a vise and hit the trigger with a punch and a hammer, a pretty sharp whack. No nothing. I used a pair of vise grips to try to pull the trigger, No luck. Certainly nobody with fingers small enough to get them into the trigger guard would have enough hand strength to break the mechanisim and force the gun to fire. BTW, I have had friends try to fire the gun, with my ring, and because of the different size/shape of their hands, they found the gun hard to fire because of the difficulty of getting the ring in the correct position. Making me even happier with the installation.The wife has to wear her ring on a different finger as mine to make it work. Hope this helps.
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Anthracite, may whatever gods you hold sacred protect and defend you. May you never have to pull the trigger on that mini-14, and if you do, may your gods make sure your aim is true. May you remain safe and inviolate for the rest of your long life. May whoever violated you to begin with have a special place waiting for them in hell.
Yours most sincerely,
Billy Rubin.
Anthracite, I certainly feel sympathy for your situation, and have no objection to your owning a gun. If someone lives alone, has no houseguests or visitors, has multiple locks on their doors etc., I have no, I repeat no, objections to their having a gun at their bedside, providing thery are properly trained(which I assume you are.) But it is hard to design an argument pro-or-con on any subject and take into account every individuals situation-some generalizations must be made, and of course exceptions to the generalizations will always exist.
Billy Rubin, when it comes to anything, including handguns, mistakes can be made. If you divide the world into highly skilled professionals and “morons”, eventually your sub-set of “skilled” people shrinks down to 1. Until, of course, you do what all humans do-make a mistake. Then you get to rejoin the rest of us. BTW, sometimes the person concerned with safety and/or accuracy of information be dismissed as an anti-gun fanatic. This label can come in handy, I suppose, when facts that might not fully support your position are brought forth, but it adds nothing to a conversation. This “fanatic” was firing shotguns, handguns and rifles before the age of 12(raised in Northern Idaho).
As far as links to the mag-lock sites go, mine went to the same company yours did. I merely linked to the spot that gave out the technical info about its reliability and the stats about how “secure” the product really is. If a product touts its security based on the fact that you have to have a certain ring to match a certain gun, then people have the right to know that there are only four combinations total, or in the case of the other product I linked to, only one.
Which is a piss-poor indicator of the number of individuals in possesion of firearms. You’ve already admitted to owning multiple. Most of the hunters I know possess more than one firearm.
Ahh, Here is says that:
So apparently your average of one gun per owner is off by a factor of 5. Now, this number could be off, but are you really asserting that it’s in error by 500%? That’s a pretty bold claim.
***** P.J. Cook and J. Ludwig, Guns in America: Results of a Comprehensive National Survey on Firearms Ownership and Use, Summary Report, Washington, DC: Police Foundation, 1997.
Err, amending that. If it’s 5 times as large, that’s off by 400%…
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So you deny saying:
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You screwed up, and mixed together number of guns in circulation, and your (very erroneous) belief on how many people own those guns. It’s not that big a deal; just admit it and move on–no need to get pissy when called on it.
So you really have a problem with “smart people don’t make mistakes; only morons do”? Nobody’s trying to take away your gun. And yes, you probably have a much lower rate of accidents than the morons out there–you seem to be very well-prepared. But there’s a reason they’re called “accidents”; they happen to the best of us.
I was myself unaware that the “average” owner owned more than one firearm.
I made a mistake, I always admit it when I do, but my mistake changes very little. 222 million firearms exist in private hands. The fact that they exist in a smaller number of hands does demonstrate that there are fewer responsible people than I had originally suspected, but I guess that conclusion is a logical one.
As far as:
I have only this to say: NOT!!! Here is the definition of a responsible firearms owner: An owner of firearms who never, ever, under any circumstances, allows any combination of events to occur which could result in an “accident”. By definition, a person who has had an “accident” has allowed a combination of events to occur which allowed someone to get hurt. Therefore that person is not a responsible firearms owner. And accidents are for cars, airplanes, tonka toys, condoms. There is no room in the world of firearms for accidents, and responsible firearms owners all know this.
And Czar, Please cite where my “subset” has shrunk by one person. Oh, you can’t? I see.
Also please be a little more accurate yourselves: I have clearly stated over and over again: responsible and not skilled. One can be an unskilled but responsible firearms owner. My uncle couldn’t hit a barn from the inside but he’s still responsible.
And if in you’re world you think “mistakes” regarding lethal weapons are “the norm” or “acceptable”, then I have absolutely no interest in “rejoining the rest” of you. In my world there is no room for error in the proper handling of firearms. None.
You STILL haven’t really read any of my responses, have you?
I made no noise about you linking to the site, I clearly explained that I had done so myself, first, I very very clearly pointed out to you that the concept of suggesting to anyone that might possibly break into someone’s home to take these “tools of the trade” was (sarcasm) humanitarian.
Czar, perhaps you could read a post or two before you accuse anyone of calling you anything.
Lessee: You supposedly “quoted” me as calling you a “fanatic”, or worse yet, and “anti- gun fanatic”.
remember that other people do not tend to listen to the voices in YOUR head, for nowhere in my posts did I EVER refer to you as “an anti-gun fanatic” or to my knowledge, even use the word “fanatic” You are inventing things I’m supposed to have said. I DID say you were using “anti-gun rhetoric” which, of course, you were. But for me to call you a fanatic would mean I’d have to get to know you better, at least well enough to consider state of mind. And Czar? I have no intention of doing that. And oh, by the way? When you refer to “facts that might not fully support your position” you should *have * some of the aforementioned facts. So far, I’m only seeing you coming back with more and more tired “Well, what about this, huh?” everytime I respond to one of your posts. Maybe after your next inciteful reply you’ll kindly lock this thread as to not have to listen to anyone else call you an “anti-gun fanatic”. Oh, crap, no, I misspoke again. Locking this thread will not stop you from hearing those voices in your head, which are the only ones using that terminology. Lock the thread after you’ve had the last word, I’ll give you that just to not have to engage in this discussion any more.
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