Saying “Liberalism” is fine, as long as you’re referring to its original, perfect form. Anyone who assumes you’re referring to the modern atrocity that has unfairly, savagely and forcibly seized the label and applied it to a mindless, Godless, responsibility-free pseudo-philosophy is a dirty smelly-head.
Eh? How is that specific to me? Other than asking the mods to “help” him not to post, I care not how he does it. I simply don’t think it’s reasonable to ask someone else to do something you are perfectly capable of doing yourself. That’s NOT taking responsibility, it’s a cop-out.
I read this:
as an inference of some sort of statement of obligation on their part.
Just wanted to bid ** Liberal ** farewell… 
Only because it’s true
Think about it. There are a LOT of people here that have NEVER paid to post. If Lib decided to be one of them he’d be assured of a lifetime subscription.
And I can prove it.
Several years ago, Jodi (then known as jodih, as I recall) requested the administration block her posting privileges while she was studying for something like grad school or the bar exam or something. She didn’t trust herself to avoid the temptation to get distracted if she was still able to post, but knew she could convince herself to stay away if she were actually prevented from doing so. Her status was changed to read something to the effect of “On Sabbatical” for that period of time. She came back when she had finished or passed whatever it was she was studying for.
As much as I respect tomndebb’s contention that there’s nothing to be gained by attacking Liberal as he claims a desire to leave, I feel no remorse in expressing my hope that this time he stays away for good, and good riddance to him. Sanctimonious, arrogant prick that he is. I’m sure he feels the same way about me, but I have no intention of going anywhere, so at least this way we’d be rid of each other.
Since we’re speculating about why he wants to leave, here’s my take. **Lib **can be one of the most gracious guys around along as you agree with him. In fact, he can gush embarrassingly over his favorite posters (just ask SentientMeat).
However… he can (as **Shayna *said) be a santimonous, arrogant prick slinging the vilest insults I’ve seen around here. Sort of exhibiting on-line bipolar behavior. Considering how dedicated he claims to be to his Christian beliefs, I always thought it was very hypocritcal. So maybe he doesn’t feel very good about himself when his bad side emerges, and he feels he needs to reomve the temptation. Didn’t Jesus say something about cutting off your arm if it offends you and gouging out your eye if it does as well? A modern day Jesus might well say to get yourself banned from the SDMB if it motivates you to act in a spiteful, hateful way towards your fellow human beings.
*I can fling so vile myself, but I never claimed to be a Christian… love thy neighbor, etc.
Via con Dios, Liberal.
If you cannot manage that, start small and Via con Huevos, y’know, this being Easter season and all.
Take care, be well.
I see you claiming this, but I don’t see how it makes any sense. Taking an action to effect the change you want in your life is pretty much the definition of responsibility; you seem to want people to do it without help from others, which seems silly to me.
Perhaps the contraction is the problem. I don’t see any reason that they should actively NOT honor; if they decide not to honor a reason, that’s cool by me (albeit a little silly: if they choose not to honor any particular reason for someone asking for a permanent ban, that person could just make a sock account and force the issue, and why ask for more drama?)
Daniel
Not at all. But, where do you draw the line at what is reasonable taking of responsibility and what is merely seeking a crutch? I dunno either, but IMHO this has very definitely crossed that line. Reasonable people may, of course, disagree.
I don’t think we know each other well enough, in general, to draw those lines. It’s an individual matter. Some need more help than others. Why should we be so judgmental? In this particular situation, perhaps Liberal is excercizing his responsibility by asking for assistance.
John Mace, I think that you may be quite right. That has been my thinking for a while and one of the things that has allowed me to see Liberal in a different light.
Possibly. But, given the tone of his ATMB thread, it’s more likely he’s simply excercising his right to be a drama queen.
Does that really sound like someone genuinely asking for help? Not to me. YMM, of course, V.
What’s the significance of such a line? If you need a crutch to walk and you go get a crutch, then you’ve taken responsibility for your own mobility. If you’re a harp seal or other non-tool-using species, then maybe you should have an ethic that forbids the use of tools; but we humans can use tools without becoming one.
Daniel
damned straight lines
It’s quite a stretch to liken Liberal’s request with others dealing with some type of addiction. He hasn’t “gone to get a crutch,” he fired off an e-mail asking someone else to get a crutch for him.
It’s really akin to writing to the cable company and asking them to block access to Nickelodeon from your cable package because you watch it too much. How much personal responsibility does that show? I believe there are vastly more personally responsible ways to begin to address the problem. Sure, if there is a problem, Liberal has recognized it, which is…something, but asking others to take care of the problem is but a scintilla above doing nothing.
If we’re talking in the context of some sort of significant impairment, then yeah, you kind of want to be overly laudatory of any step in a desirable direction. Presuming, on the other hand, a general level of competence and maturity, such small steps are a bit underwhelming.
This latest bout of silliness is up to 4 pages of criticism of the poor schmuck for being a drama queen, trying to get attention paid to him, and all the usual shit - but he hasn’t posted to it at all. The request was made in a forum that not that many people read regularly, and apparently only after his private request was not acted upon.
He’s deserved the criticism in the past, but not this time. Sheesh. Give the guy a break, willya? He wants to be ignored now - is that so hard a request to comply with?
Seems to me that someone that wants to be ignored would just stop posting…
Darn right.
What’s a guy gotta do to be ignored these days - take out a banner ad?
As I just pointed out, he hasn’t said jack here.
Neither has Bush, but that doesn’t stop us from talking about him. Look, Lib did a silly fucking thing. That thread was locked. People want to talk about it here. What the fuck is it to you?
Besides I am sure Lib enjoys the attention, especially of the huggles bunch who chime in to say “Please don’t leave Lib, we love you”. In fact I suspect that was the point of his original thread.
He hasn’t said jack in any forum since his request to be banned. My understanding is that he doesn’t post in the Pit.