Apperantly they will post their “evidence” the 9th of april, will be interesting to say the least to see what they have in store!
As the last heir of Nostradamus, I will hereby give my prediction:
Nothing will come of this. April 9th, we won’t be amazed when we learn that the company has disappeared, postponed the date of showing their evidence, presented non-evidence or at the very least presented something unconfirmed or unconfirmable.
And spione, you wouldn’t happen to be affiliated with Liber Foundation, would you? No, of course not. Silly of me. Forget I said it.
You keep claiming this, yet you also keep neglecting the fact that dreams (And even memories) do not necesarily happen in real-time. You can have a dream that seems to go on for days, in the span of 6 hours. There is no compelling reason to believe that Pam’s experience was not a dream before and/or after brain shut-down. It might be thoroughly convincing to her, but it still offers no solid evidence for anyone else. So no, it is not proof that they are not hallucinations.
According to the title of the OP this is a poll. Aside from the fact that it really belongs in IMHO, arguments about NDEs and the like don’t really belong here. The question was: do you believe there is life after death or not?
I think we know lekatt does.
I’d like there to be a continuation, as there are some who have gone I’d like to see again. But I put that desire in the same category with the wish to win the lottery. Put me in the “no” column.
If I actually do win the lottery, I’ll get back to you. 
there is a drug, DMT ( di methyl tryptamine ? ) that produces the same out of body experience as a clinical death. this is the strongest psychedelic substance there is and it naturally occurs within the human brain.
if you can get your hands on some DMT ( this is not easy ) you can have a little life after death of your own.
Regarding the poll, chalk me up for NO.
Regarding why, it seems to me that for there to be life after death, there must be life before death, besides the blood-pumping brain-waving balderdash that ceases upon the final kick of the Big Bucket. And when I see some evidence of non-mortal things pulling the strings of my mortal brain, I might start believing in them. But until then, souls (including “death-resistant” souls) fall strictly into the “wouldn’t it have been nice if” category.
I finally saw the TV show Leroy is always writing about. Just to play devil’s advocate, and as much as I hate to encourage Leroy, I’ll mention what the evidence is. There are 2 pieces of evidence that would tend to support that Pam experienced some sort of awareness while her brain was “frozen”. One, she described the bone saw as looking like an electric toothbrush, which is (very) roughly what it does look like. When interviewed, the doctor said there would have been no way for Pam to have seen the saw before or after the surgery. Two, Pam remembered a snippet of conversation regarding using a blood vessel from her leg, something which actually had been discussed during the operation.
I think there are 4 possibilities:
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These 2 things were revealed to her before or after the operation, and she incorporated them into her hallucination.
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Aspects of the hallucination were coincidentally the same as or similar to actual events.
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She retained some sort of awareness during the surgery.
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She had an out-of-body experience.
Not particularly strong evidence, but it is evidence.
How is he supposed to know that? It’s not like the appearance of a bone saw is a well-guarded secret.
And sometimes, psychics manage to say something that actually makes sense when you look at it after the fact. It doesn’t mean their abilities are genuine.
Of what? Even if the claims about Pam’s knowledge are true (and I’m not convinced until I know details), it could just be a coincidence, which wouldn’t be strange at all, given the large amounts of people who’ve had these experiences without being able to provide any kind of knowledge they weren’t privy to. One is bound to hit the jackpot sooner or later.
Regarding the original post, I didn’t interpret it as a poll regarding belief in life or death, but a poll regarding belief in Liber Foundation’s discoveries. Either way, my answer is “no, until evidence is introduced”.
Though i believe in some form of afterlife, I think this article lacks information, too vague…
Slap me silly, I was right. It was apparently a strange porn plug. By all means look at this link, but do not under any circumstances, after having clicked the “afterlife photos” link, go any further or give these people any money. We don’t want to encourage this.
http://www.liberfoundation.com/pressroom.htm
Lekatt, while you’re entitled to your opinions about the afterlife, you should maybe be a bit more discriminating regarding what you believe. Just because someone appears to happen to agree with you it doesn’t mean they’re right in every aspect, as Liber Foundation clearly shows.
As Ethel Barrymore used to say, “That’s all there is; there isn’t any more.”
Yes, it is staggering.
Staggering like a drunken pirate with a peg leg full of termites.
:rolleyes:
Well, the doctor said that it would have been hidden from the patient’s view. I assume, since he was the surgeon, that he would be qualified to know this.
I agree. That would fall under the 2nd possibility I listed - that it was a coincidence.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I was just reporting what was said in the TV program. You DO understand what I mean when I say it’s evidence, but not strong evidence, don’t you? Evidence can be valid or invalid. Saying there’s evidence doesn’t mean I believe the evidence. Understand? I agree with your assessment; given all the cases of NDE’s that have been reported, the fact that Pam’s is the only one I have ever heard of where the person came back with anything that might possibly be an objective observation of real events, it’s reasonable that it could be coincidence.
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Afterlife?! If I thought I had to live a whole other life after this one, I’d kill myself now.
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I think everybody should be required to take a critical thinking class, or at least learn the logical fallacies. (Looks lekatt’s way) It’ll help a lot, really. You’d be surprised.
Well, there’s more than one bonesaw in the world. I’m not a doctor but I don’t think they vary radically enough in appearance that Pam’s vague description wouldn’t fit.
Yep. Fair enough, I apologize. Your post sounded pretty pro, so I thought I’d point out the flaws lest people think there actually is evidence of the afterlife.