He was, but… umm… he got better?
Enjoy,
Steven
If this post is not an attempt at parody, it is a perfect confirmation of Colobri’s diagnosis that you are delusional. That line about “unassailable evidence that my position was factually correct in every detail” is priceless. You’re nuts, obnoxious, a shit-stain, and the biggest asshole I’ve encountered so far on SDMB.
Also, the allegation that “not a single one of his cites was even acknowledged” demonstrates him to be a pathological liar. His cites were addressed in exhaustive and excruciating detail by various posters with expertise on the subject; he simply willfully refused to even try to understand what they were telling him. Lissener seems to live in some bizarre fantasy world where everything he says is incontrovertibly right, and those who disagree with him must just have some personal vendetta against him.
Speaking of things that weren’t addressed or acknowledged in the thread cited by Colibri, the one where lissener made his unassailable case, RickJay asked a question that was never answered.
I’d still love to know the answer to that one. lissener, maybe you could ask four friends or some anonymous college professors for the answer and share it with us.
Maybe he could create a Wikipedia article that asserts it?
crickets
Kliban always struck me as rather crude and often sexist. I cite one example of a cartoon where a woman is being carried off by her ogre-ish boyfriend, and a friend asks, “Why do you stay with him?”. Her anser: “Beats me.”. Or another example is “Time, that old devil”, where a clown is making nubile young woman jump through a hoop that suddenly turns them into overweight 70-ish old women. Funny how age only seems to affect women in a negative way.
On the other hand, he was often bizarrely funny too. Anyone remember “Hardw”? where some low-life characters in front of a hardware store are mocking an Ancient Egyptian who just happens to be walking by? I also liked the one showing a ship as a “Camel Of The Sea”–and there were many others.
You mean “permanently banned” or, perhaps, “banned again”. I’s obvious I know the SDMB better than you do, so you should probably shut up and let your betters speak!
I am guessing the reason is that the Admins and Mods, like lissener recognize the sublime masterpiece that is “Showgirls”. It forms a tight bond among snobs, ya know.
-Joe
All right, I know I’m a n00b and everything, but “Showgirls”?
“Showgirls”??
(Warning, old threads. Read but do not post!)
Here ya go: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=239050&highlight=showgirls.
See also: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=265495&highlight=showgirls.
As long as I’m here…
He did get better. He seems to be slipping, though.
Yes, Showgirls, and **Starship Troopers ** too. He claims to be a greta Paul Verhoeven fan, and yet he never seems to mention his earlier, far superior films like **Total Recall, Robocop ** and Flesh+Blood.
He was banned and unbanned?
Gee, the things you miss when you go outside.
Well, anyone can tell those are good flicks – you need an aesthetic sense as finely calibrated as lissener’s to appreciate the more subtle greatness of his later work.
Crude, definitly, but sexist? Your first example, IIRC, depicted a trio of cavepeople, and was playing off the old comic trope that pre-historic courtship rituals consisted of the man knocking the woman out with his club and dragging her back to his cave, usually by her hair. The trope itself is arguably sexist, but that largely depends on how it is used. In this particular case, the joke hinges on a character suggesting in-panel that there is something wrong with the way the woman is being treated, which places it pretty firmly in the “not sexist” camp from my perspective.
As for the second comic, again, I’m just going from memory, but wasn’t it supposed to be the same woman jumping through the hoop, or was it definitly a series of different women? Either way, unfair as it may be, the fact is that our culture tends to value older women less than it does older men. Showing the effect of aging on a naked woman underscores the degenerative effects of time, and underscores the punchline. The context in which the comic was originally published also comes into play here, as I understand that Kliban frequently published in men’s magazines. Thus, he’s playing on the desires of his audience (almost exclusively male, in the original publishing) to give the joke an extra punch: on the one side of the hoop, sexually attractive women of the kind that led to the purchase of the magazine in question. On the other side, the anathema of sexual attraction: your grandmother.
Showgirls is such an utterly perfect parody of a bad movie that only the cognoscenti are able to perceive that it is actually a masterpiece.
Anyone who does not agree with this is obviously a moron.
Incidentally, here’s a thread in which lissener Pitted another poster for taking “an argumentative tone” with him, and as usual accuses his opponent of trying to “make him a liar.” Then he accuses his opponent of being a liar.
The irony is so thick you would need a chain saw to cut it.
(BTW, that thread from five months ago is the last time I recall interacting with him, which I guess constitutes “following him around.”)
Hmmm… well I liked Total Recall (at the time - haven’t seen it since) and loved Robocop (definitely holds up to repeated viewing). I also really like Starship Troopers, although I understand it completely perverted the intent and content of the Heinlein book.
But Showgirls? An insultingly bad movie. The kind where you hope all the main characters die as quickly as possible. Gah! That movie sucked!
For whatever reason, Verhoeven movies need a strong male protagonist: Rutgar Haur, Peter Weller, Michael Douglas, even Arnold . All ST could offer was Casper Van Diem, a basically charisma-free nonentity. That, as I see it, was the movie’s major flaw. If he had cast, say, Ed Norton, Christian Bale or Leo DiCaprio instead, the movie would have worked.
Actually, I thought that the aliens were the main protagonists of the movie. To me, the human actors essentially served the role of flashy props.
Surely the Bugs were antagonists? 