Equipoise, Charlotte Bronte’s most conventional but least known novel, Shirley, contains only one line that stuck with me: “Byron was great, but was he good?” The point of the passage being that real artistic talent often comes with the personality of… well… a shitstain. I’ve not been privy to any of lissener’s supposed artistic virtues (except a photograph of a very run-of-the-mill hand knitted sock), but he is the first and only person on the dope who has attacked me maliciously, repeatedly, and without cause. I basically stay out of many substantial discussions around here because it isn’t worth my while to get involved when I’m fairly certain lissener’s going to start flinging poo at me.
We’re ganging up on him because he’s made our posting lives miserable at one point or another. He’s a nasty, stuck up, delusional asshole. I don’t care that he knits socks.
Equipoise, you’re a friend of Lissener’s, and that’s great–we all need friends. And I am sure he has many talents–also great. But to say he doesn’t deserve the dislike that he gets is, IMHO, ridiculous. He is awful to people. It isn’t just a “tone.” He was horrible to me once, in a way no one has ever been to me. I have seen him be just as horrible to other people.
I’ll trust you have first hand expierence for all that you claim about lissener’s mad skillz but here, on this board, he is a jerk. Plain and simple. What pisses me off, is that he gets things started and then a general warning to everyone in the thread is issued by the CS mods. When if they looked carefully it is always lissener starting the shit. His greatest talent, is to piss people off to the point where they break a rule, carefully keeping his toes just on the line. That he does very fucking well.
I don’t bring up the Showgirls thing, very few people do but when it does come up, so many people need an explaination that it gets talked about as it does. But that is not the main complaint of the evil anti-lissner crowd. This is not unreasonable hate. It is quite reasonable to hate a jerk like him.
If the tough jocks in question were wedgie’ing the arrogant unpopular kid because they caught him mouthing off and trying to bully another kid with a lisp, then I just might find it in me to laugh and jeer. I wouldn’t feel guilty about it at all. lissenerattacks people whose opinions he doesn’t like. He isn’t a martyr, OK? We’re not talking about John the Baptist.
Or in other words “When you’re neck-deep in shit, don’t make waves.”
Oh, suuuuuurrrrre. He’d be a fantastically successful human being if only he could learn to sell himself. Just like I’d be a Nobel Prize winning physicist, if only I could learn math.
Plenty of people out there can stock an aquarium, knit a sweater, and cook a meal, and they have the added benefit of not pissing total strangers off every time they open their mouths. lissener doesn’t have an attitude problem because he can’t sell himself. He can’t sell himself because he has an attitude problem. No one is born with business acumen or people skills; they’re learned right alongside your multiplication tables. If lissener doesn’t want to be bothered with learning them, then why should we be bothered with giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Equipoise, you may know what lissener is like off the board. But that doesn’t mean shit to me, because I will never interact with him off the board. It’s how he acts here that I care about. And here he is an ass.
And he is not better than any of us. Again, he may know more about some things, I may enjoy interacting with him outside of the Dope if it were to ever happen, but he is not better than me or Ex-Tank, or Colibri, or even VC03. ::shudder::
I’ll save you the rental fee. It’s been about ten years since I sat myself through it, but here’s the gist:
Elizabeth Berkley goes to Vegas. She’s got clothes on.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and strips.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and gives some guy a lap dance.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and tries out for a naked dance troop.
Then Elizabeth meets Gina Gershon.
Then Gina Gershon gets naked.
Then Elizabeth gets naked.
Then Elizabeth and Gina get naked together.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and sleeps with some guy.
Then Elizabeth pushes Gina down some stairs.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and sleeps with some other guy.
Then Elizabeth gets naked and kicks some fat hairy dude’s ass (Thankfully, the fat hairy dude has clothes on.)
Then Elizabeth frenches Gina Gershon.
Then Elizabeth puts her clothes on and leaves Vegas.
:rolleyes: What a load of crap. This board is filled with bright and talented folks. Still, everyone here is no more and no less than what that person posts on this board. “You” are only what you bring to the table here, and when you act like an asshole, you usually get called on it. A “better” person would be able to see that, and apologize when appropriate.
The IMDb entry is all you need to know. With over 16,000 votes, it only managed a 3.8/10. That means it’s almost, but not quite, complete and utter crap.
Make no mistake: I did think it was crap. I just didn’t think it lived down to its reputation as a truly legendary piece of shit. I even thought there was a hint of a good story hidden inside it.
I’d like to know where exactly in that continuum you consider me. Am I an “asshole tough jock”? I am a “hanger-on” or “wannabe?” Am I one of those “around the edges”? Am I part of the “anti-lissener clique”?
I had no particular opinion one way or another about lissener until he went absolutely bonkers in a GQ thread and behaved highly obnoxiously toward me. In the subsequent Pit thread, the only one I have ever started, he refused to make any attempt to apologize for his bad behavior. I lost any respect I might have had for him at that point. He behaved in a way entirely lacking in integrity and honor.
As I have mentioned, since then I have participated in two other Pit threads about lissener. One was a pit thread started by **lissener ** himself when he hypocritically attacked another poster for the kind of behavior lissener himself regularly engages in. The other is this one, in which he is being pitted for the same behavior I pitted him for. I don’t think you can count me as belonging to some “anti-lissener clique.”
So what? The issue at hand is lissener acting like an asshole, not whether or not he is a good cook or likes tropical fish. If he didn’t act like an asshole so often, he wouldn’t be pitted so often. On those grounds, he is far far worse than almost anyone participating in this thread.
So you think that lissener’s behavior mentioned in the OP was perfectly OK? You would be fine with it if someone else directed that kind of verbiage at you?
You seem to take the position that NO criticism leveled at lissener is warranted. He’s just a poor misunderstood sweetheart picked on by a bunch of mean old bullies for no good reason at all. You would serve lissener much better as a friend if you could convince him NOT TO ACT LIKE AN ASSHOLE, rather than pretending that none of this criticism is merited.
Okay, I’m going out on thin ice here. But I just now caught up with the RyJae thread. Kind of interesting how eager everyone was to send money, while lissener, whose power had already been cut off, only got suggestions on how to make do.
