If Loki and Sylvie had managed to get off the moon (and let’s face it, they almost certainly have to do that in the next episode, because otherwise, they’re gonna die), it would simply have attracted the attention of the TVA, because in the original timeline, the Ark was destroyed along with the moon’s entire civilization.
They are not part of the civilization, everyone who’s supposed to die will. If they had succeeded in their plan of highjacking the ark and making sure it got away THAT would have alerted the TVA, not because they survived but the other people did.
The TVA’s probably got its hands full right now dealing with the backlash of all those reset charges being set off across the Sacred Timeline.
I had theorized Loki had palmed that time stone he was handling in ep 1.
I wonder if thats just something we are reading to much into. The fact we didn’t see any ‘green Loki magic’ seems oddly dragging attention to it. And you all have pointed out both most likely possibilities…it points to this either being in someones head or loki ‘low-key’ has a timestone up his sleeve* but is using it to pretend to have a power-set he doesnt really have.
*By the way, that stuff about the stones not working outside their native universe? Because theres only one timeline they will all work…also this could figure into Doc Strange 2.
She did the neck thing to Loki early on - she claimed it didn’t work and he claimed his mind was too strong for it.
i don’t think either of those two things are true.
Yeah I was trying to think which is more likely…Moebius rescues them or she’s in his head but he knows she is, so he’s playing her too.
Culminating next ep just as the world is about to end:
Loki: "So. Have you decided you trust me yet? (Pulls out the timepad)
Which would explain why he’s behaved a little too stupid for the occasion, and she’s not quite as mad as she should be.
I’m suspicious that it goes to before that. Her waking up to him drunk is his playing her. He figured out how to do it too.
She had said she wouldn’t fall asleep with him around I thought, and with good reason. Him being dumb enough to get drunk out of costume? Able to be thrown out a window? I don’t think so.
I was thinking something like this as well, and even more so now that they weren’t able to reach the ark in time. Although, I suppose they don’t actually need to have the ark functional, if its power source is somehow still intact.
My other idea during the episode was that the pad was fine the whole time, and Loki was creating the illusion that it was out of power. That doesn’t seem too likely now.
So. Sylvie and Wilily Lumpkin. Right?
I thought it was a straight Borderlands clone/homage. Up to the old lady sitting in her house with an energy weapon pointed out the door.
I thought our intrepid duo had Telepadded into one of The Outer Worlds.
Meanwhile - back at TVA HQ, Moebius returns to find Loki and Sylvie huddled in his office - staring intently at each other with their hands touching the others throat - they stayed locked in this trance and were transported to the vault, never to be seen again.
Going to back to this, I’m guessing the judge definitely knows the truth about the agents being variants. Now, is there more than one Mobius variant running around, or has he just had his mind wiped multiple times?
So maybe this is clear to someone else, but how did Sylvie ever exist to begin with? So there’s one sacred timeline. In it, Loki is male, looks like Tom Hiddleston, is the adopted son of Odin, etc. There are a set of things he’s supposed to do over the course of his existence. If he does something “wrong”, he becomes a variant. And, as we saw, he is then tracked and presumably captured within minutes.
But how could he have done something so “wrong” that he was female with an entirely different upbringing? Or is the idea that someone else did something “wrong”, which spun off an entirely different timeline, which lasted long enough for Sylvie to be born and grow up enough to become badass. Then the TVA decided to prune that timeline, and her quest began? Because if so, that’s a very different kind of variant than our Loki.
My take is there’s one sacred timeline against which all others are measured. As long as the alternate timelines meet certain benchmarks and stay within a narrow range of possibilities, it’s “allowed” to continue.
As to how she even exists…At some alternate point in the past Frigga adopted an orphan girl and raised her instead of Loki. It was this timeline that the TVA deemed inappropriate. Sylvie does say (IIRC) that she’s spent her entire life chased by the TVA, so her timeline must’ve strayed from the mark almost immediately.
Loki only looks like Tom Hiddlestone out of habit. He’s a full-blooded frost giant and a shapeshifter. He assumed the form of an Asgardian as an infant, and never realized that wasn’t his “real” face until he was an adult and found out about his heritage. The fact that Sylvie looks nothing like Loki, that she really hates being called that, and that she has no memories of Frigga (and, presumably, Odin), suggest pretty strongly that she became a variant when Odin failed to notice a frost giant foundling, and didn’t adopt it and raise it as his own child.
How an infant would avoid being killed by the TVA is uncertain, but there’s a lot of ways they could potentially write it. One possibility is that her timeline existed during the “multiverse war” that was talked about in the cartoon in the first episode, and was destroyed when the Time Keepers made the Sacred Timeline. She was able to escape the destruction, and has been plotting her revenge ever since.
Sylvie explicitly has no memories of Frigga. Plus, if that were the case, she wouldn’t be an alternate version of Loki, she’d be an alternate version of the orphan girl that didn’t get adopted by Frigga in all the other timelines.
Once again, I don’t particularly want to get down in the weeds on this, but once again, I just wanted to say I’m 100% with @Miller that this is what appears to be going on, while once again not being 100% certain that the show runners and writers are actually thinking about the issues quite as clearly as @Miller is.
Yeah, I should mention that I don’t think a single one of my speculations or guesses in either of the previous Marvel show threads has panned out, so probably take everything I say with a grain of salt.
But I appreciate the support!
She said they’d been chasing her for her entire life, which would be thousands of years, that’s plenty of time for things to veer wildly into the unknown.
It could be thousands of years. She’s not just a reality jumper, she’s a time traveler. She might be only a few centuries, or even a few decades, old on her own timeline. There’s no particular reason to think she’s the same age as “our” Loki.
Although, then you get into issues of meta-time and simultaneity across different timelines in relation to a Limbo that exists outside of normal spacetime and…my head hurts…