Heck, we don’t even know Frigga was her mom. Though I think she’d say something if she wasn’t. Given how angry Odin got after she died, I hope he was a good dad to her. Heck, maybe she didn’t even grow up in Asgard.
Also, isn’t Loki super-strong? Much stronger than a normal person, anyway. But he’s getting manhandled all over the place.
I’m pretty sure that’s what @Miller was getting at - “Sylvie” is a variant from a timeline where Loki wasn’t adopted by Odin and Frigga. She’s pretty clearly both contemptuous and envious of the fact that Loki was a prince, and it’s even clearer that she was not a princess. So, I think it’s pretty clear that she wasn’t adopted by Odin. Since she seems to default to a “human” form, it seems probable she was adopted by Asgardians - just not by the King of Asgard.
Yeah, I mentioned that upthread.
His strength level has never been clearly established in canon, but he’s at least tough enough to take a thrashing from the Hulk with no serious injuries. He’s a shapeshifted frost giant, and we don’t really know what that means. Maybe in human form, he’s just unusually strong for his size, but not really superhuman, but is still superhumanly resilient? That seems consistent with what we’ve seen so far, but…his strength and physical prowess really seem inconsistent, and purely dependent on whether it works better for any given scene for him to be a conman/magician who’s physically outmatched, or a badass who’s a threat to Earth’s Mightiest Heroes all on his own.
Well, so far he’s fought TVA Agents who have some control of time, people possessed by Sylvie who I’m assuming got her strength, and then these security guards. The guards look human, but we don’t really know what they are. There’s lots of aliens out there that look human (Kree, Asgardians) that are very strong.
IIRC, the date shown on screen when they arrive at Lamentis is 2070, which isn’t that far in the future, and Lamentis looked like it had been around for a while. It’s unlikely, but not impossible, that those are normal humans.
That’s plausible, and probably in fact the only plausibility. That said, it doesn’t really fit with what we saw earlier, where Loki stole the tesseract, and was set upon by agents within minutes. (Granted, that could be handwaved away various ways). Nor does “actually there are infinite timelines, but they’re all similar to the sacred timeline, so we allow them to continue to exist, despite the fact that in one of them someone who is clearly central to extremely important events doesn’t exist at all.” doesn’t really fit with the TVA orientation material we saw.
Whether the writers do in fact have a good explanation or whether they just like the “ooh, lots of variants of Loki, neat, what can we do with that idea without thinking about it too much?” remains to be seen.
(Something else that remains to be cleared up: the TVA clearly thinks that Slyvie is a variant Loki. And while she seems irritated about the situation, she doesn’t seem to think that that claim is factually false. But she was clearly not raised by Frigga. Is she an ice giant orphan born at the same time Loki “should” have been born to the same bio parents, and that’s what makes her a Loki? Or was she raised by Odin and her brother was Thor, but in her timeline Frigga was out of the picture? Again, I do hope that the writers have an answer in mind other than just “she’s a variant of Loki, but, get this, she’s FEMALE, ooh, I just blew your mind” which is what it seems to be so far.)
Well, we haven’t gotten much info about Sylvie at all. Mobius is close lipped about her (at least as far as we are concerned) And she is an unreliable narrator, herself. But, I’m intrigued by Miller’s theory of the unadopted frost giant foundling.
From the transcript:
Now, of course, this is Loki, God of Lies, and a variant Loki. But everything “our” Loki says is true, and fairly complete and unvarnished at that. So, Sylvie’s account is probably trustworthy.
She was definitely adopted, and knew she was adopted. It seems pretty clear to me from other contextual clues that she was raised as an Asgardian, just not as a princess of Asgard. Perhaps Odin in her timeline somehow wasn’t the King of Asgard (maybe she comes from a timeline where Hela ruled as Queen?). Or perhaps she was adopted by some other random Asgardian that accompanied Odin on his foray into Jotunheim.
She referred to the memories of the TVA soldier she was controlling as being from “Earth hundreds of years ago” so if anything she is older than current Loki. Assuming they’d have to have been born at the same time to be the same person… frankly we are all just guessing here so who knows.
Ignorance speaking ahead!
I see this as the same Frost giant as “our” Loki who at the point “our” Loki settled on male this one did female. Still could be okay in timeline maybe but at some point early childhood did something, maybe some mischief, that got mom killed. That was the divergence that crossed the allowed line. And put her on the run.
The “current Loki” has been around since, at least, the Viking Age a millennium ago.
Right, I figured both would have been born at the same time, but Sylvie’s current time is hundreds of years in our future.
Wouldn’t that only address how long ago that Variant was picked up and turned into a TVA agent?
I’m not sure that follows, from Sylvie’s perspective that was Earth hundreds of years ago but it was just current time Earth.
The TVA agent wasn’t from the year she was hiding out in, which also wasn’t the present day (it was 2049).
But Sylvie said she was creating the fantasy from the TVA agent’s memories, from before she became a TVA agent, which were pretty clearly in the late 20th Century or early 21st Century. @DigitalC is saying that since Sylvie said that memory was from “hundreds of years ago”, and that memory was clearly from our present time (or within a few decades), Sylvie must be from hundreds of years in our future.
I actually parsed that bit at the time as Sylvie saying that those memories were from hundreds of years ago within the TVA agent’s personal timeline - that is, that the TVA agent had been an agent for hundreds of years, and before that had been an ordinary person on Earth. I’m not sure which way of parsing that is correct.
In the context of explaining how enchantment works that’s the only meaning that makes sense. She had to go back through hundreds of years of the agent’s life memories to find one that was from before she was an agent. The agent though could have come from anytime future or past to when Sylvie was from.
We don’t know when the TVA is. For all we know, it could be in the year 1 Million CE - or BCE.
Remember how confused Loki was about whether he was right to tell the Pompeii villagers that he was from “the future”.
He would be from the future, no matter when the TVA is.
If you are on vacation and someone asks where you are from, you give your home city, not where you met your connecting flight.
Loki says:
“We are from the future, right? What is the TVA? I mean, it’s from the future. It sounds from the future. It’s pretty future-y.”
which suggests to me that he’s wondering whether the TVA can be called “the future”