Well, just because they existed at that point does not mean they exist now. That’s the beauty of it, they can literally do whatever the hell they want. Those Kangs might have all disappeared in a dead timeline, or they might still be around, it all depends on how things go for Majors.
So, Loki “fixing up” the timeline poofs the entire Kang (and Majors) issue out of existence?
Cheap. Likely, but cheap.
That’s the point, IT CAN but it doesn’t necessarily mean it DID. They can just wait to see how the trial goes and make a decision from there. They specifically mention there are some Kang variants still out there, and one was just dealt with (assuming in Ant Man).
They could simply recast him. That’s what I expect - Kang is too important if a villain to just toss. But recast him and everyone pretends he’s always looked like this. Just like with Hulk, Rhodes, and others. No big deal - audiences can handle it.
They don’t even need to pretend anything, variants don’t have to look like the other versions as Sylvie proves.
Great episode and great series end! Like a combo of Groundhog Day and Doctor Who.
My understanding: there is no Sacred Timeline anymore. There’s a whole interconnected mesh of timelines forming the trunk, with many roots into the past and many branches into the future.
Everyone now has the free will to choose their own path. The TVA makes sure that no one interferes across timelines.
Loki is the opposite of He Who Remains. HWR interferes so that HWR endures. Loki interferes so the HWR never comes to be.
Here’s my take on the Q’s.
I would say he used his Frost Giant/Asgardian magic combined with over a century of learning how the Time Loom and TVA physics work (Groundhog-Day style, but self-taught study!) to revive most of the variant timelines to that point, including the Sacred Timeline - which is no longer that sacred since it’s co-existing with numerous branches. Witness to the fact Loki no longer merely controls his time-shifting but is able to selectively stop the flow of time around him, doing with his ability and knowledge what He Who Remains was able to do with high-tech gadgetry and knowledge.
More or less, except while HWR’s endpoint was to prevent the rise of HWR variants that would end up destroying all timelines through their conflicts with each other’s universes; Loki is preserving the multiple timelines - or at least most of them, one presumes.
My guess would be, only if necessary to try and prevent WHR variants (and one would think, Infinity Ultrons) from conquering or destroying other timelines? They mentioned and we saw a “War Room” where they were apparently tracking WHR variants. Perhaps they only try to prune the worst of the WHRs? At any rate Sylvie should be fine since they’re not pruning off every single reality anymore and she and other variants are mostly free to live and … have free will, really, since enforcing the Sacred Timeline eliminated any choice that wasn’t aligned with it.
So yes there’s still a multiverse … retroactively, there’s a multiverse, whatever that means. Timey-wimey for sure.
I’m going to guess that this ties in with the “Incursions” referenced in Dr. Strange 2, where one or both realities can be destroyed by individuals crossing between them - at least sometimes? Unless Incursions are a new… messier… form of pruning. Not sure the MCU will ever get that clearly straightened out between different writer’s visions. Or Loki was taking a metaphysical coffee break while a couple of branches grew into each other behind his back causing one to break off.
Incidentally the implication seemed to be that Loki could see into each of the timelines, I hope he has some method to project himself into one just to say hello to his particular Thor again.
All of what you just said, is what I wish I had said. You have my imaginary upvote.
Back at you—you provided more explanation.
And so Loki fulfills his glorious purpose, to cause Ragnarök as foretold in the Edda. What’s often forgotten is that Ragnarök is not just the twilight of the gods and the destruction of all things but also a cleansing and rebirth. He Who Remains and the Sacred Timeline has been purged from existence. It’s no longer the multiverse, it’s the Lokiverse.
Coincidentally the name of the first and last episodes of the show.
I’m sure nothing about that [“Glorious Purpose”] was coincidence.
I heard a Youtube reviewer suggest that the new glorious purpose of the TVA is playing whack-a-mole on Kang variants.
This resolves a discontinuity with the Multiverse as the rest of the MCU pictured it. In Spider Man: No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness, the other timelines existed as peers of the MCU 616 timeline (which would be presumed to be the Sacred Timeline, since this show’s Loki became a variant by diverging from it).
The Multiverse you see in the Phase 4 movies couldn’t exist if the TVA was working the way HWR established it.
So the Phase 4 Multiverse is Loki’s Yggdrasil Multiverse. Even if the movies came out before the series. Because wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
I think I get it now. Thank you everyone. I think this finale redeemed what was an uneven season of the show. I really liked it.
Nitpick: the Quantumania easter egg at the end refered to the MCU as 616. I always kind of hoped they would reserve 616 for the comic universe and pick a different number (the only other time I remember it being referred to as 616 was by Mysterio and he was a con man). But I understand. If they didn’t use 616, the YouTube brigade would scream and cry and blame it on Bree Larson.
I think so. When they said one of the Kang(HWR) caused a disturbance in 616, was that Ant-Man 3?
Yeah I assumed that was a reference to Ant Man 3.
Overall, I thought the finale managed to redeem a lot of the unevenness and lack of focus I felt this season had. But one thing I’m still confused about is Renslayer’s arc, and particularly her final scene. So she wakes up in what looks like a temperate climate version of Egypt, with overgrown pyramids, except it’s also apparently the ruins of the TVA, and then there’s a strange purple light? Seems to teaser something, but what exactly? And how did she even end up there?
I think Renslayer was in that weird post pruning netherworld from the latter part of the first season.
Yup, Renslayer is at the end of the universe were the pruned people went. Things plucked from pruned timelines end up there, like those pyramids and the TVA logo.