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While ad hominem is a fallacy, Mayor Khan should have been aware that for a Muslim mayor to say, “Terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city” was not an ideal choice of messenger to deliver that message.
That, and also the fact that there are big cities that have experienced very little, to no, terrorism, so it is not in fact part and parcel of living in a big city.
A big city(or a major event) is a prime potential target. Even if a city hasn’t experienced an attack doesn’t mean it can’t happen.
All right, here’s a slightly more serious question: when are you going to show a fraction of this anger toward jihadists?
You are far angrier at ME than you are at mass murderers. Why?
You know what? No one. NO ONE in the UK takes your stance on our mayor. No one thinks he’s downplaying anything. No one thinks he’s siding with terrorists because he’s muslim. No one thinks he should act or speak differently than a non muslim. He’s our mayor, he gets to talk about our capital city. He is our ‘choice of messenger’ - we voted him in.
And if you don’t think living in one of the world’s largest, most ethnically diverse and most politically relevant capital cities doesn’t make you a target of terrorists, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. London has been a target of terrorists since Bouda-bloody-cea.
Should Basques in ETA’s list of targets also have refrained from saying “we know that living here means there are people with bombs”? Because I’m not going to apologize in my name or that of my father, who refused to accept bodyguards on account of “if I change the things I do or the way I do those things, they’ve won.”
Terrorists, as it says right on the tin, desire to grow terror. Letting them define how the rest of us live, including letting them define what is it we can and cannot say, is exactly what they want. Fuck that shit. Why some people would let a terrorist define what is acceptable to say when they wouldn’t accept the same limitations from their government or from basic politeness is just beyond me.
I don’t see any evidence of Khan saying that. From what I gather, he said:
What I do know, is part and parcel of living in a great local city is that you got to be prepared for these things, you got to be vigilant, you got to support the police who do an incredibly hard job, you got to support the security services …
Being prepared. Seems like sound advice for anyone to give, being Muslim is irrelevant.
So. Deportation for anyone who happens to have been added to a “watch list” (based on who knows what) even if the person is a citizen of the nation and without any actual trial? There is a recipe to recruit more terrorists.
I suspect that actual communications in support of a terrorist attack are already against the law, so this is a meaningless claim.
(And the only snowflakes I have seen since January have been Trump supporters whining that the cheeto -in-chief is not being treated with the immense reverence that they displayed toward Obama. However, that is irrelevant to this thread.)
“The minority Muslim population” is poorly worded. It is not the minority population of Muslims within the nation of Great Britain, but a tiny minority of Muslims within the (already minority) Muslim population of Great Britain. I am sure it was simply typographical error, but you appeared to be claiming that the entire population of British Muslims (a minority) were responsible for the terrorist acts. Your claims about the London mayor “downplaying” these actions have already been debunked. Your religious bigotry against him, based on nothing more that religious hatred, has no basis in fact.
Radical Muslim terrorism is real. The majority of victims of that terrorism by a minority of the Muslim population have been Muslims.
Everyone posting in this thread needs to read that link, and not just because it tells you that he was talking about New York City, specifically, in that quote although he did generalize to other large cities. He was in NYC when an explosion “rocked the city” last Sept. Picking such comment to pieces might seem like a fun academic exercise, but is not particularly meaningful since it was an off-the-cuff comment, not part of some prepared speech. Of course he could have said it better had he thought it out. But given the nature of the comment, it’s a pretty unremarkable thing to say.
In case anybody thinks SanVito is being hyperbolic in stating Mayor Khan’s level of popular support:
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Mr Khan took 1,310,143 votes after second preferences were taken into account, beating Conservative Zac Goldsmith into second place on 994,614. His tally gave him the largest personal mandate of any politician in UK history.
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Well, here’s what he said -
Cite. This was after the NYC bombings.
So it doesn’t seem to be a false report, unless you want to try to parse the difference between “great global” and “big” or “these sorts of things” and “terrorism”.
Regards,
Shodan
Seriously?
When I get someone in here defending terrorism, then I’ll criticize them. When I get a suicide bomber in here, I’ll explain to them that suicide bombing is wrong.
When’s the last time you condemned right-wing violence? You didn’t condemn the patriot who stabbed a bunch of people to death on a train, did you? Why not? Why oh why won’t you right-wingers condemn the murderous violence inherent in the system?
Oh, it’s because duh, it goes without saying that stabbing people to death on a train is wrong? You didn’t feel the need to specifically mention that you’re against murder? Even when it’s right wing patriotic anti-muslim murder?
I do notice that after that spell of right wing murder, you somehow never bothered to return to your pit thread where you complained that right wing violence never seemed to happen. And the reason why is obvious.
Your complaints about the lack of response by Muslims to Muslim violence is exactly and precisely paralleled by your lack of response to right wing violence.
Of course the real reason that you don’t spend all day every day mentioning that you’re against stabbing liberals in the face is that it would be ridiculous to expect you to. I haven’t heard from each and every right-winger on this board condemning the Portland murders, and I wouldn’t expect to, because I’m not an idiot. I can assume, unless you give me reason to think otherwise, that you’re not a supporter of the Portland stabber, or the guy who shot up a black church, or the guy who shot Gabby Giffords, or the Unabomber, or the Columbine killers. Your qualified regret every time there’s a mass murder in America speaks for itself.
So why exactly do you think Muslims should spend all day every day explaining that they’re not in favor of terrorism?
Qualified regret my ass.
Where does he say “nothing can be done”?
He said you have to be prepared.
What is the issue with that.
But that would inform them of the actual truth and not some soundbite from the people they cheerlead for. You’re trying to bring facts to a bullshit fight. Trump started this because he doesn’t like Khan and hasn’t since Khan had a go at him in 2015. Trump doesn’t forget people attacking him and will never let this go.
It appears to fit the exact description of a false report.
What was the last name of that guy whose military son was killed in Iraq and who held up his copy of the constitution, offering to lend it to Trump?
It’s a Khanspiracy!!
#yeswekhan, etc
My apologies. I should have known better.
Being British in expression while Muslim…