Look, I’m a bleeding heart liberal from hell. I score slightly left of both Christ and Nelson Mandela on the Political orientation spectrum, or “all the way to the bottom-left.”
But let’s lose this ridiculous fucking hetero guilt! It’s like everyone’s tiptoeing around, scared to fucking death that they might accidentally step on some homosexual’s itsy-bitsy feelings. Get a fucking grip! Don’t you realize that this pandering, pantwaist behavior is more insulting to people everywhere than if you were to just be your fucking self and relax?
The heart of this rant is the A Poll for Straight People thread, which EVERY SINGLE FUCKING REPSONDER feels compelled to add a complete fucking paragraph of simpering sexual apologetics - “…uhh, not that there’s anything wrong with homosexuality. Really! Uh…it’s just not my thing…yeah…I’ve got lots of gay friends and stuff…Uh…I think they should be allowed to do whatever…live and let live, man…uh…yeah…just keep it away from me.”
Hey, Not me! I just came right out with it - I find the idea of having sex with a man repulsive. I take it for granted that Gay men do not percieve this as biggotry.
I didn’t add it either. On the contrary, guy-on-guy turns me on and I won’t die without having tried girl-on-girl. So please don’t lump me into your “Every single person” stupid rant.
I read the thread, I noticed the exact same thing as you do, only I got the opposite impression:
That is not the most enlightened of viewpoints toward homosexuality. It’s barely tolerant, not left-of-old Europe-tolerant. That’s it-took-a-Supreme Court-ruling in the 2000s to make it legal tolerant. “Live and let live” and “As long as I don’t have to see it” are hardly raging neon endorsements in a tasteful accent piece. But you probably knew that.
In summary…What the fuck is wrong with baby animals?
I’m disappointed. I thought this would be about heterosexuals experimenting with homosexuality, and we could debate where social pressure and sexuality meet and are redefining modes of behavior, and how overexposure to so many sexual avenues can complicate the lives of teens (Dear Katie Couric…). But all I got is a stupid rant about how it should be okay to insult homosexuals. Sigh.
(Before I get slammed, being repulsed is fine. Tacking on “But as long as I don’t have to see it…” is, well, overthinking the issue, trying too hard to make it about “us” and “them”, and thus, unfortunate. Maybe that’s what Freejooky meant by “some homosexual’s itsy-bitsy feelings.” Maybe. :rolleyes: Unless he’s a homosexual and this is some sort of parody thread, in which case, I need to reboot my sense of humor. It’s lagging again.)
I’ve never felt guilty about being straight, and I will maintain that position until someone on this board meets my first girlfriend. In which event I will run and hide.
There are some pretty big homosexuals out there and I don’t want them to hurt me. You want to take your chances with one of those ripped, muscular gay guys, have a blast, nice knowing you.
Seriously, I wrote half a sentence to the effect you’re pitting and ended it with a wink. Get over yourself, you stupid douche.
Why’d you need to put in that disclaimer? Are you some kind of fucking HOMOPHOBE?!?
I totally agree with your post, although not as angrily. I can totally understand people’s wanting to make sure they distance themselves from the people who just jump into threads to say “homosexuality is disgusting and immoral.”
The only ones who deserve to be called “simpering pantywaists” are the ones who take the attitude that there’s some kind of Pink Mafia on the board that’s monitoring every post for thoughtcrimes. You hear it over and over again – there’s this arbitrary, mystifying codex of “politically correct” speech, and a bunch of uppity homos who’re just itching to jump all over your case the second you slip up and say the wrong word.
There’s nothing arbitrary or mystifying about it. It just requires you to think for a second about not just what you’re saying, but – and this is the hard part – feeling empathy for somebody else and imagining what it’s like for them to hear it. Saying “I’m repulsed by the idea of [my engaging in] gay sex” isn’t offensive. Saying “Gay sex is immoral and wrong” is offensive. It’s really not that difficult. Every time I tell somebody I’m gay (which, apparently, is too frequently), I don’t feel like I have to give the disclaimer, “But I don’t have any problem with other people having heterosexual sex.”
And anyone who actually claims that he or she is stifling what he or she is saying because they’ll get yelled at for stating their minds – that is being a simpering pantywaist. If your opinion is so weak that you’ll suppress it because you’re intimidated by a bunch of fairies and queerlovers saying mean words to you, then why are you bothering to offer it up in the first place?
That thread was mine (and is officially on its second Pitting, I might add) and I have to side with you, Freejooky. The poll asked for exactly two things: gender, and whether the idea of having gay sex disgusted you. It got kind of annoying to have to read well-meaning paragraph after well-meaning paragraph about how gays should be allowed to live wild and free and so forth. It was well-meant and nice and all, but not relevant.
I mean, I find the idea of working as a proctologist disgusting and revolting. Does that mean I want to ban proctologists? No, I’m even quite happy some people choose to work as proctologists, even though I cannot understand it.
I’m of two minds about the OP. On the one hand, it’s nice to be reminded that there are still people out there who know how to make a distinction between “I don’t want to do that” and “No one should be allowed to do that.” On the other hand, it’s a bit of a bummer to have to be constantly reminded that my sex life is a matter of public controversy, even when I’m talking to a group of people who are entirely on my side of the controversy. As much as the vocal support is appreciated, it would be nice to forget for a little while that my private life needs vocal support.
In absolute candidness, there’s also a little drama queen inside me* that loves the idea that what I do in bed is shocking and controversial.
Color me MORE disappointed. I read the thread title as “Lose the fucking hetero quilt , you liberal pantywaists!”
Then I get in here, and no hetero quilts to be found anywhere.
Yeah, I acknowledge your point. But dammit, it still is a world where jumping in to participate in a thread “Yo Straight Folks, umm, gay sex — gross you out or what?” is not something one does without doing so in a larger context, and being relatively blivious (;)) as we are, we insert the disclaimers. Not because we’re afraid of the Lavender Menace coming down on our politically incorrect heads if we don’t but because we’re wary of the Phelps Corps lifting what we’ve said and using it as ammunition.
You could make the valid point that the SDMB is a very different “larger context” than the one we’re normally stuck with, and I’d agree with you there. In here it’s just habit.
Since I missed the poll in question, I’ll reply to it here.
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The idea of gay sex doesn’t disgust me… It doesn’t particularly interest me, in the same way reading Pride & Prejudice doesn’t interest me, but I don’t lose any sleep over the matter.
There, no sniveling apologetica paragraphs anywhere.
You missed the fundemental word ‘having’. What does the idea of having gay sex do to you?
The idea of other people having gay sex is slightly disturbing to me, but being liberal minded I say everyone should be entitled to do what the hell they like as long as it doesn’t violate directly the well-being of others. But the idea of myself having sex with another man is far more disturbing, since I am heterosexual.
How would a totally gay man feel about having sex with a woman?
Maybe that should be the next poll. Totally completely gay-as-the-gayest-gay-thing-that’s-ever-nonced-down-the-pike people: does the idea of having straight sex disgust you? I think my hypothesis for that one would be a mirror image of the one for my first poll: the lesbians are more disgusted than the gay guys are.
If that’s the case then you asked the question the wrong way.
Here’s your question as posted:
By asking for “attitudes” towards the idea of doing, looking at, or hearing about homosexual sex, you are asking an open question which invites comment. Maybe you should have said:
“Poll: What gender are you? Do you agree with the statement ‘I find homosexual sex (doing it, looking at it, hearing about it) repulsive’ yes or no? If you answer ‘no’ do you agree with the statement ‘Although not repulsed by the idea of hoimosexual sex, I find it sexually uninteresting’ yes or no?”
I got through most of the first page and found very little evidence of people giving disclaimers. Most of it was simply explaining their attitude and feelings to homosexual sex (which is pretty much what the OP asked for).
Do you have any particular examples of this behaviour that stood out to you Freejooky? Or is this going to be yet another thread you start and then fuck off from, never to post again?
