Yeah, I actually like Juliet.
Season 1, Episode 11: “All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues”
I’m not sure they are “leaning towards” the fate angle – at least not as the preferred one. It seemed that the jewerly lady was convincing Desmond that it was all just his fate, but just before he got hit in the head with the cricket bat (which apparently knocked off his clothes and sent him back to the island), he seemed to be having a change of heart about it, thinking that maybe he still could choose. Choose to stay with Penny, not to be manipulated by everything else he had been hearing.
Could be. Either way, I wish the show would focus less on it. I’m guessing it’s simply due to my experiences and what media I’ve digested, but this one plot angle seems really uninspired.
I still like the show, but was hoping for something more.
But it is totally in character for Locke – so blame Locke, not the writers. It’s the type of thing Locke has been saying since season 1, completely anthropomorphizing the island.
You’re not alone – the other characters react to those Locke statements in the same way.
I’d say he was speaking of them as a group.
True. I wonder if we’re going to see Michael or Walt again. Somebody needs to rub his nose in the way he believed the Others when they “promised” him that they wouldn’t harm his friends. I’d say Danny’s intent to put lots of bullets into Sawyer would constitute “harm”. Then feed Michael to the Dharma Shark.
True, although back in season 2 when it was advertised that somebody would die, I remember that a lot of people figured (correctly) it would be Shannon.
Of course, it would have been more of a shock if they hadn’t gone and put the word out in advance that somebody would die in the first place.
I like that character, too. She’s interesting. Especially how she’s all sweet and friendly one minute, wouldn’t hurt a fly, let me make you a cheeseburger and flirt with you a bit… then suddenly goes to cold icy bitch at the drop of a hat (“kill them if you have to”).
There’s one thing about Lost that annoys me, and it isn’t unexplained mysteries or plot holes. It’s the format of the dialogue. A character will always start a sentence in the middle, forcing the other person to ask for clarification. It goes something like this:
“They’re untied.”
“What?”
“Your shoelaces. They’re untied.”
Does anyone really talk like this?
If it makes you feel better, Stephen Hawking himself, the king of theoretical physics, has pretty much endorsed magical fate fairies. Our current understand of physics does allow for time travel, and there needs to be some explanation for the grandfather paradox. One physicist showed that if you used a wormhole to time travel, and tried to send a billiard ball through with a trajectory that would knock itself out of its original path through the wormhole, it would end up self-correcting.
My own pet theory is that the probability waves that propogate to and from the future and usually only collapse at the present moment are involved. Basically, if you change the past, the most probable new future will be the one closest to the original one. Rather than complicated ‘magical fate fairies’ you are just travelling along the ‘path of least resistance’.
I half expected his feet to wither up and leave the red shoes.
There’s no place like home…
I think by the end of this season we will have new sympathy for the Others, and maybe even some of the Losties joining them. I bet they would be very interested in Desmond.
I loved this episode, and I had all but given up on the show after last week.
Some random thoughts:
I like how they are taking the characters of Jack, Desmond, and Sawyer and using them to show how three men were poured from the same batch of clay, so-to-speak, have been molded by fate into the full spectrum of good and evil. (Jack-born into a life with all the advantages becomes a surgeon, Desmond- apparently has no one and becomes nothing but was almost a doctor once, Sawyer-well, we all know his deal but he insists that one day Kate will realize there ain’t that big a difference between him and Jack).
re Charlie: Can anyone remember any other times that he almost died? When Claire went to see the psychic he was adamant that she not have the baby, but then caved and told her she had to be on a certain flight to LA. Then the others seemed really interested in Aaron, and Charlie almost and probably should have died going after them at least once and maybe twice (I just remembered that sack of rocks he took to the head and Sayid fixed). Is it possible that Claire was fated to fall in love with a self-centered prick (the kind of guy that would, oh I don’t know, call her kid turniphead) and this kind up-bringing would turn Aaron from a Jack to a Sawyer, but on a much grander scale. The psychic realizes that there’s a chance she could go to this island, meet and fall in love with Charlie, he dies, and Aaron gets raised on tales Charlie performing Hobbit like feats of heroism, turning Aaron into a Jack or Desmond.
That reminded me of something.
Did the psychic not say something like. “No one must help you raise the baby. You must do it yourself”
I think of that statement alot yet I do not actually remember if he said it.
I remember it, too. First season, I think. Either shortly before she was kidnapped, or right after.
I found a transcript for episode 1.10: Raised By Another here. (Should be spoiler-free if you stick to that page)
With regards to the psychic’s advice to Claire:
Perhaps that’s the problem. Charlie should have died by hanging. The universe is trying to corrcet for the fact that he didn’t.
My two cents:
Between “Lost” and “Heroes,” it sure does suck to be named Charlie.
Ok…so I just had a possible epiphany, thanks to these time/space continuum possibilities introduced in the latest episode and hindsight between Clare and the psychic posted above. And some other stuff possibly falling into place. It is totally crazy, mind you, but I’m throwing it out there anyway.
What if Ben is, Aaron, Clare’s baybay, all grown up? He’s “lived his entire life on this island”, and he’s the only one to offer such testimony, and it seemed like a unique characteristic (at least to me) when he said it. Something that set him apart from the other Others. The only other being that we know of who shares that with him is Aaron, right? The Others showed a keen interest in Clare when pregnant, and even had her captive pumping her full of stuff prior to delivery.
I dunno. It just popped into my head, and I have not yet had any coffee today, so…
What I want to know is; what’s the deal with the bag with the black and white stones found in the indoor set area from the first season?
Oh, that’s right! Those were “this will keep 'em watching stones”, so they no longer play any part in anything.
That is a very common style of dialogue, and it annoys me to no end. It indicates to me that the character initiating the dialogue is almost pathologically incapable of making a reasonable inference about the mental state of the other character. Unless they are either mentally handicapped or were socially deprived as a child, people should know that whatever is the center of their own focus is not necessarily in the awareness of everyone around them. Barring a mental defect, the only reasons a person could start a conversation in this inane way are unbelievable self-centeredness or a malicious desire to make the other person feel stupid.
What is particularly annoying is that this dialogue device is often used in scenes where we are supposed to find the person doing it endearing. An example is in Garden State. I generally enjoyed this movie, but one exception was this scene:
This made it harder for me to find Portman’s character likable. I mean, if you are so clueless that you would assume I would understand a reference to “in it” without that whole back-story, it’s kind of hard for me to imagine that you will be a sympathetic and understanding life partner.
I honestly don’t know if this will add or subtract to your theory, but we have evidence of one other child actually being born on the island–Alex. Danielle was pregnant when she first arrived on the island.
I read an interview with one of the producers who says that was a key scene of high importance, and by the end of the series we’ll know exactly why those 2 dead people were there, why they had the stones, and we’ll understand that the producers always knew what the “end” of the story would be.