Also, I just had a good look at scene with Locke returning from the submarine.
You can’t see the submarine clearly in any of the shots. In fact, when John first kneels down, you can see all the way down the jetty - and there’s no sub to the left. However, after he says “I’m sorry”, you can see a fuzzy sub-like outline behind his head.
Who knows?
Come to think of it, I don’t see how he could have faked it. He didn’t know that a load of others were going to come down and witness the explosion. Plus, he’d have to blow up something that would produce submarine-like wreckage.
I think Ben will have to let Jack and Juliet go, since he promised them he would. He seems to be big on keeping his word, even if he parses those words very carefully. I’m hoping the writers come up with a more clever plot line than “the Losties get imprisoned by The Others, again”. Maybe they decide to stop fighting and join them? Maybe the Losties who were “on the list” get re-introduced as a way of bridging the two groups.
That would mean Claire can’t leave. Aaron must weigh more now than he did in the womb. Also, the island’s magical healing qualities allowed her to lose her pregnancy weight instantly!
I suppose at this point it’s a question of deciding which Desmond is which now. Originally, yes, he was a Royal Scot and we didn’t ever find out what he did to be discharged, much less whether he ever saw combat. The timewarped Desmond apparently was never a Royal Scot at all.
I just had a theory. Could Locke have submerged the submarine, gotten out through an airlock or something, and then set off the C4 in the water, not in the sub? That would explain why he was all soaked. I mean, if it was a Dharma sub it was probably for some sort of underwater observation/experimentation purpose, so letting divers be able to get in/out of it while submerged doesn’t seem too far fetched. That way everyone thinks the sub is gone, but he knows it’s still around if ever needed. Kind of like when he stockpiled all the guns?
If that’s the case, we’d better hear where Locke gets all his submarine expertise. You think you (or I) could do that without a damn good chance of drowning ourselves?
John was already in at least one twelve-step group back home. Now, they’ll have to create another one where he can stand up and say, “Hi, my name is John, and I like to blow up shit.”
You mean now? I don’t know that we can assume they are. I have a feeling that since the “sky turned purple”, food drops have stopped (will stop). Largely because it seems to mean that they’ve lost contact with the outside world, and it was the chess computer that had the “Press 33 (or whatever) to schedule a food drop”. If no communication, that food drop code isn’t going to do much good. And since Locke blew it up a short while ago, it’s not going back online any time soon.
Or do you mean, why is Dharma still doing food drops when it appears that the Others/Hostiles have taken over everything? (Food drop evidenced by the one we saw when the Swan Hatch was still active).
Perhaps Dharma in the outside world hasn’t known that their people have been overrun on the island? Perhaps the only communication that Dharma Central Command gets is from the chess computer – and has automatic procedures in place to respond to transmissions from that system.
In the scene where Locke’s eating dinner in his shitty apartment right before the kid knocks on his door, there’s a huge display of framed military badges behind him on the wall. The title on the picture says “SPECIAL OPERATIONS &(&())#@!#” (I can’t make out the last word). While talking with Ben when he first encounters him in his bed, John makes an offhand comment, “for all you know, I was a commander in the Navy.” He knows a shitload about guns, knives, tracking, tactics and survival. The implication being, John was in Special Ops! So I think it’s plausible he knows his way around a submarine.
That happened before his tour in the military. And in the latest Desmond episode, he was kind of reliving his past experience – but not as much of it – as the original time around. I gather from the first Desmond flashback (end of season 2) along with the timewarp Desmond version that this is the sequence of events:
He got shot down by Penny’s father first
then he broke up with Penny (remember also in this “reliving the past” episode, he distinctly looked at the “Join the Royal Scots Guard” poster as he passed an office.
He joined the service (Royal Scots Guard)
He did something that got him thrown in prison, and served his time
He was released and dishonorably discharged from the Royal Scots Guard.
He immediately had the encounter with Penny’s father after prison, where we saw that he’d intercepted all the letters that Desmond had written to Penny – she never got them.
He decided to do the race around the world to prove himself p(erhaps to Penny’s father?)
etc. etc.
Timewarp Desmond only relived the period covered by (1) and (2) above.
Not trying to make it complicated … Monstre is right though, it hadn’t occurred to me that he might have joined the Scots after the flashback, but when time travel starts getting involved in stories, things inherently get a little complicated. Still, I think it’s hard for Desmond himself to know for sure who he is right now, and he wouldn’t make a good member of any sort of rescue team even if he knew everything about being a soldier. He’s got all kinds of other stuff running through his head right now. TMI probably, but I think the Royal Scots in recent years haven’t exactly been the paradigm of war-hardened infantrymen they once were anyway, so I doubt Desmond’s any kind of combat veteran. Maybe I’m injecting too much real-world fact into a fictional show, but either way, I doubt Desmond and Sun are gonna head up any “Losties Special Division Action Task Force” for mounting daring rescue missions. That sort of action isn’t what the show is about.
Still, I gotta agree that I’m also intrigued about Locke’s supposed background as a military man. He’s made references to it before but I dismissed them as fabrications that he was passing off on people in the hope of garnering some respect because he was so depressed and lonely, and possibly borderline crazy. Now we can see he had military knick-knacks all over the place. If he really was some kind of a special operative, then it’s a hell of a secret and makes little sense considering he was basically a doormat for everyone in his life prior to arriving on the island … far from a badass military secret agent type guy.
In one of the Hurley flashbacks, when he thought that that the numbers are cursed, didn’t he see someone falling past his window? Or am I misremembering?
Oh no! :eek: HAHA! Awesome catch, no pun intended.
That would be hilarious, wouldn’t it? Wasn’t this the same scene where Hurley’s financial advisor was telling him about his acquisition of the box company Locke worked for? As funny as this might be, the guy who sailed past the window was screaming. There’s also the fact that Locke was in Florida, and Hurley was in California, as far as I know. Would’ve been a cool connection, but perhaps too close.
I could be misremembering but I think the guy is mentioned in Hurley’s episode. I think he said something about some guy commiting suicide from his accountant’s office building. Which would indicate to me that the guy who fell actually diedand it was an office building, not an apartment building.
