Ya know… I think you just hit the money quote on just how much the writers are depending upon us not to think this stuff thru…
That or he is a dumb hick…
Howdy everyone, this is my first post in a LOST thread (having just gotten up to speed. 50 episodes all at once!)
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[li]Can we please ask that in the next episode’s thread that the first 5 to 10 posts aren’t people “announcing” that they’re done with the show? (Looks like someone opened you up your very own thread elsewhere) Yeah, I know you’re frustrated. But I’m not…yet. Mostly because I didn’t have to agonize week to week over 2 years to get to where we are now. [/li]
This isn’t meant to be snark, but sincere. Let’s just discuss the show…please?
[li]I agree that the 2nd island is no big revelation. I think the point they were trying to make was simply the “you can’t run” lesson. I guess this rules out Sayid mounting another attempt or Locke making good on his speech to go after them. Which means…[/li][li]Alex is clearly the wildcard. We know she’s around, sympathetic, and presumably disgruntled. I think it’s pretty certain that they’re setting her up as the “out”. I wonder what happened to her friend from Polar Bear Cellblock 2? It didn’t look good for him, but then again we know that the Others don’t necessarily just kill people who try to escape. He may factor into the ultimate escape plan. [/li][li]Other vs. Losties: I think it’s been pretty well established that the Others can’t really be considered “good” in any reasonable sense, but I think the ultimate point is that the Losties aren’t either. Yeah, the Others may have ultimately started the fussin’ and the feudin’ but our faithful Fuseys and Tailies have done their share of bad stuff in the name of survival. It may end up being one of those things where good and bad are blurred and, although you have protagonists and antagonists, it’s just a matter of degree. Think Firefly. [/li]
Quote from S3E01, Benry: “…there might be survivors. You’re one of them [pointing to Goodwin and Ethan]. Listen, observe. Don’t get involved, I want lists in 3 days.”
But yet we learned that “on the first night they took 3 of us. Then the next night they took 9 more.”
Oversight? You’ll probably say that the writers are just making shit up as they go and forgot about that. But I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, we know that when the Losties crashed, a) the Others seemed genuinely suprised and didn’t seem to be expecting it, although Benry sprang in to action very quickly, and b)were in the middle of a book club meeting, complete with burning baked goods. Everything seemed to be peaceful and normal, they weren’t going all Commando before our friends arrived. What changed?
Thoughts?
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Or it could have meant that one of the boat-stealing party was a substitute teacher. 
I’m not sure they are working for Dharma. I’m thinking that either they used to (but not any more), or not at all. Back in the season 2 finale, we have Kelvin Inman – who (according to his own statements) did join up with Dharma, and was manning the Swan – talking about the “hostiles”. I’m thinking those are the Others. And I get the feeling they are “hostile” towards the Dharma Initiative for some reason.
BTW, the island’s been seeming kind of crowded lately. I’m wondering how Danielle managed to live there for 18 years and never see anybody else – only heard them (the “Others”) – as she said back in the first episode that we met her.
Forget the map…Has anyone taken a fresh look at that wall mural?
When Ethan first abducted Claire, and Jack and some others followed and tried to track him, he ambushed Jack and beat him up, and said, “If you don’t stop following me, I will kill one of them!” Later, Jack and Kate find Charlie strung up in a tree, hanging from his neck. They cut him down (not breathing), and Jack has to administer some CPR and serious doctor-fu chest pounding to revive him.
Later, when Ethan comes back for the escaped and returned Claire, he knocks out Jin with a rock from his sling, then holds Charlie up to a tree by the throat and says, “If you don’t bring Claire back here, I will kill one of you. And the next day, I’ll kill another. And then another. And Charlie… I’ll kill you last!”
The next day, Steve/Scott is found dead. If I were on the jury in Ethan’s trial, I certainly would not buy self-defense.
Ah, but they DO pull the trigger. We saw Goodwin kill the guy that Ana Lucia threw in the pit. Goodwin was presumably letting him out, then when the dude turned his back, Goodwin snaps his neck.
I had the same thought; they came through a tunnel, and Jack is still in it.
Next week’s episode doesn’t look like it offers more, but… Oooh! Pirates!
Just to be a nitpicking asshole, only the “rocky outcrop” on the left is labeled as a reef. The one’s on the right aren’t named.
Aside from that, however, is there any particular reason to believe that secondary islands to the main islands were completely unknown to the Lostaways before?
Greengrocer’s apostrophe. Wouldn’t mind an edit feature, you bastards.
When Sawyer looked back on the island he was on, the coast line only seemed to run for two miles or so. However, it was an inconclusive angle.
Let me join you. The label is coral reefs. I’m not a map expert, and we don’t know much about what standards Rousseau followed in creating the map, but to me, the plural suggests that the label applies to all of them. I agree the map is ambiguous, but what is depicted looks more like shoals and reefs than a chain of islands. And now I’m puzzled by the triangly thing by the Bay of Crabs. Grrrr . . .
Other than the fact that they haven’t been mentioned–even by Desmond or the rafties, and we haven’t seen them at all; no.
Good point. There’s a lot to remember already.
I think there are two groups of Others. One group is Benry’s group, living in cottages with power and electricity and washing machines, regular food drops and internet access. They’re researchers gone seriously weird and delight in pushing peoples’ buttons until they either snap completely or become psychic paranormal ninjas. They know nothing about the anomaly and were as surprised as the lostaways when the hatch imploded.
There’s also a group of psychic paranormal ninjas who wear raggedy clothes, drag teddy bears around, and kidnap tailies whenever they want to. They make no sound when they move, can’t be tracked, can’t be found, and make weird whispery voices in peoples’ heads to make them freak out and shoot each other.
Benry’s group has shown no particularly ninja-like powers, except for Ethan being vaguely tougher than he should have been, and that could have been explained by his eating better due to knowing how to forage for food on this island.
I’m surprised I’m the first one to mention this. Did anybody else notice when the two guys were going to poke that big-ass needle into Sawyer, one of them said “no it has to go right through the sternum, just like in the movies”.
So can we assume they have seen “Pulp Fiction”?
MtM
Although there are islandy looking things in the straight on map that may or may not all be coral reefs, there are also islandy looking things on the overhead map as shown here, here, and here. In particular I notice a fairly large island to the east, and a tiny archipelago in the north west. There also seems to be a crater valley on the south end of the island similar to the one that Otherville is in.
It’s already been shown that Benry’s group was wearing costumes of beards and raggedy clothes to fool the Losatways.
Benry seems pretty tough with his baton. Ethan managed to subdue and carry two people quite a distance through the jungle. Goodwin snapped a man’s neck with his bare hands. Goodwin admitted to being a part of some of the kidnappings. It would be strange to think that the Others kidnapped Claire for her baby, Walt, and some of the adult tailies, but weren’t the ones stealing the Tailies kids.
Ahh . . . good catch. Did any of the other Losties see the overhead map? I don’t remember.
I think that was a red herring, to make them think they were the savages (this reinforced the con they pulled on Michael).
Benry can really kick ass on somebody who’s been malnourished, trank-darted, beaten, shot, tasered, and beaten some more.
Ethan may not have been working alone. Given how close the Caduceus was, he probably wasn’t.
The neck-snap thing is a given as not that difficult a killing move in TV and movies.
It might seem strange for there to be two groups, but that’s not as strange as telling the guys to go, blend in, and have a list of names in three days, then go in that night to kidnap three people, including the kids, in whom Benry’s group seem to be particularly interested.
I seem to remember that he was able to lift Anna-Lucia off the ground while his hands were tied together. Maybe he was just able to pin her, but still impressive with his hands tied.
I still think Sawyer can’t read.
-FrL-
My theory is that The Others were raised from childhood as part of a psych experiment and developed a warped sense of good and evil.
That’s a good point, and I never thought about it. Remember, though, that one of The Others that that Tailies killed did have a list of names. Maybe Goodwin just works real fast and the 3-day plan changed.
I heard him say “just like in the movie” No s. So yes I assumed the were talking about Pulp Fiction.
Good god yes! I was going to post something like this. We have had comments like this from just about the first episode. I haven’t stopped liking the show. I’m starting to dislike the threads about the show.