Lost 4.07: "Ji Yeon"

[Crown_Prince_of_Irony]

@Omniscient

Is he still rich? He was presumed dead, it’s safe to assume that his estate was dispersed. <snip>

While I can imagine he would be declared dead soon after it was clear that Flight 815 had crashed, would his estate have been settled that quickly?

While probate is usually pretty quick if there is a will, I would imagine Hurley didn’t have a will - remember, he felt his fortune was cursed, so why would he want to deed it to a loved one? If indeed he didn’t have a will, most jurisdictions mandate a specific interval during which claimants can come forward, on the order of a few months to a year. In which case it’s highly probable his fortune was intact when he got back to the US.

[Saint_Cad]

@SenorBeef

IIRC, Hurley asked if any others were coming, and when Sun said “no”, he said “good”. That was odd. I expected those two to start making out as the surprise ending.

He did say “good”, right? That’s meaningful - clearly there’s at least one person Hurley hopes keeps away from Sun.

Remember when Jack visited him in the nuthouse, Hurley accused Jack of spying on him. Hurley’s “good” may be nothing more than, “I’m glad they’re not here. I don’t trust those bastards.”

As for the few that said Aaron is one of the O6, I believe there was a podcast from the producers that definitively said that Aaron was NOT an Oceanic Sixer.

[bouv]

@Saint Cad

As for the few that said Aaron is one of the O6, I believe there was a podcast from the producers that definitively said that Aaron was NOT an Oceanic Sixer.

But didn’t they say we’d find out the last of the Oceanic 6 last night? So…it could be Mr.Dead Guy No One Loves.

[NajaNivea]

@ivylass

After Juliet spills the beans about Sun’s affair, Sun is trying to talk to Jin, saying, “It was a long time ago.”

Excuse me, missy, but it couldn’t have been that long if you thought Bald Headed Dude (forgot his name, sorry) could have been the father of your baby and you’re only two months preggers.

Right, and he was teaching her English so she could make her escape, right up until just before they got on the airplane. My uh… explanation is that it was a long time ago in terms of their relationship. Short in actual time, but long in terms of how much their marriage has developed and changed since they got to the island. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

[Punoqllads]

@SenorBeef

IIRC, Hurley asked if any others were coming, and when Sun said “no”, he said “good”. That was odd. I expected those two to start making out as the surprise ending.

He did say “good”, right? That’s meaningful - clearly there’s at least one person Hurley hopes keeps away from Sun.

What was his exact wording? He might actually have asked, “Are any Others coming?”

[Omniscient]

@42fish

Since he told Penny in his call ‘I’ve been on an island’ and addressed Sayid by name, it seems at a minimum those two parts of his memory are back.

We beat this to death in that week’s thread, but both those two facts are ones he very likely picked up in the time he spent on the boat locked up with Sayid. The writers have gone out of their way to avoid having Desmond say anything specific about the previous years on the island so it’s safe to assume that they want us to be unsure if his memory is back.

I’m not saying his memory is gone, but people keep assuming it’s back as a foregone conclusion and we simply don’t have that info yet.

[N9IWP]

Anyone catch the book that was being read upside down?
Is the name of the frieghter Karhma?
My recording ended at the “Bad Robot” logo, can someome summarise the next week promo?

thanks,

Brian

[Kythereia]

@N9IWP

Anyone catch the book that was being read upside down?
Is the name of the frieghter Karhma?
My recording ended at the “Bad Robot” logo, can someome summarise the next week promo?

a) The Survivors of the Chancellor by Jules Verne… about the final trip of a boat where everyone either drowns, gets stabbed, gets eaten by sharks, commits suicide, or gets poisoned. Mmmm, anvilicious.

b) As cool as that’d be, Lostpedia says the name of the freighter is the Kahana. Can mean in Hawaiian either “the turning point”, “the drawing of a line”, or, in proper context, “the work”.

c) Sayid tosses Michael against a wall, snarls “Explain how you came to be on this boat!” Sawyer, on the island, is ticked–“The same guy who sold all of us out so he could get off the island?” while Kate looks unhappy and Locke looks pissed. Keamy on the freighter loads up a gun and starts shooting at something. Jack looks… contemplative? Ben says “What wouldn’t a man do for his son?” Michael wears a headset and cries. Says to the freighter crew, “I thought we were going on a rescue mission!” while they laugh in his face. Claire glares, someone gets punched, Juliet looks wistful, Miles looks bitchy, dramatic voiceover: “Someone will DIE!” And flash to Jin, Michael saying “I’m sorry–” and pressing a button.

[Mahaloth]

@Omniscient

Let’s take a couple minutes to note that we still don’t know if Desmond has any of his memory back yet. Even if he and Michael knew each other Desmond might not remember him at all. In this episode all Desmond said was that he was feeling better, not that he had any recollection or understanding of whats going on. Overall he’s been really passive since his chat with Penny.

Really? I thought he regained his memory when he called Penny. His “constant” fixed the problem with the timeline and restored things back to normal.

[delphica]

@Omniscient

Is he still rich? He was presumed dead, it’s safe to assume that his estate was dispersed. CBG was offering him an upgrade to a nicer nuthouse earlier this season for his cooperation. If Hurley is still fabulously rich you’d figure he could make that happen on his own.

Of course he would have the Golden Ticket, so no reason that he couldn’t be in Korea on short notice.

I think whether or not he’s rich, one thing about Hurley’s character that has been pretty constant is that he likes to stick with what he is familiar with. So even if he still has his money, I would believe he would want to be in the nuthouse he already knows – it’s the same one he was in before, right? I don’t think he wants an upgrade no matter who is paying for it.

On the question about Hurley saying “good!” when informed none of the other survivors are coming to Korea, I didn’t think it had that much meaning, to be honest. I think when you’re trying to cheer up a widow, you go with “good!” as the response to just about anything she tells you. Again, I think that’s the way Hurley is – if Sun had said Jack is coming, I bet he still would have said “Good!” even if he still had his own personal reservations/suspicions about Jack. He might have addressed them in private once Jack arrived, but he would feel obligated to put on a good face for Sun’s benefit.

[John_Mace]

@Hampshire

Did Sun have her baby in the U.S. or Korea? I kind of assumed it was the U.S. since all the doctors and 911 operator spoke english and Hurley was visiting.
Then when I saw Jin entering that toy store I was wondering why he was in Korea.
Sort of tipped me off from the beginning that they weren’t in the same place.

Sun and all the hospital staff were speaking Korean. You must’ve been confused.

@BobT

I thought Sun had her baby in Korea as everyone in the delivery was speaking Korean. The cemetery I assume was in Hawai'i. Korean cemeteries from what I've read, don't have as much open space.

It was supposed to be Korea, but of course it was filmed in Hawaii. I’m always laughing at the scenes that are so obviously Hawaii but are meant to be somewhere else.

Remember that in an earlier episode Sun said she wanted to raise the baby in Seoul, while Jin kept trying to pick out American cities to live in.

[brickbacon]

@well he's back

Question: Where do you all think Walt is? Didn’t he sail off with his Pop, the ethically conflicted Michael?

I think Walt is either with Widmore’s people or he is dead/dying. If it’s the former, I think they probably either reached home, or were intercepted at some point by Widmore’s people (not the ones on the freighter).

@well he's back

How’d he get back to the island, if he did? I’m assuming Ben is still using Walt as a stick to get Michael to do his bidding, tho that trope is getting kinda old.

Well, I doubt they found Michael out in the middle of the ocean, and decided to pick him up. Even of they had, he would be the first person they’d suspect if a bunch of shit starting going wrong. In addition, I don’t think they’d knowingly allow a kid to come on board. So, Micheal had to have made it to land in order to avoid suspicion. Where that leaves Walt is guesswork. Maybe, he is sick, and needs to get back to the island. I can see Michael’s rationale for trying to get back to the island to save the people he screwed over.

[Diceman]

Well, I was totally fooled. Here, I was thinking, “Wow, Sun and Jin got divorced, and Jin remarried and is back to being a gangster? That sucks.” Eventually, I realized that we were seeing both a flashforward and a flashback.

@SmellMyWort

I’m not totally convinced either way, but at the grave Sun was really talking like he was dead and not just absent.

That’s what I’m thinking. If Jin was alive and Sun knows it, then Jin’s fake grave would mean nothing to her. She would have to pretend like she was mourning, and it looked to me like Sun’s grief was pretty real. I think that Jin either dies on the island or on the boat, and the grave marker is just a cenotaph. Remember how Jack claimed that 8 people survived the crash, but only 6 were rescued. Apparently, Claire and Jin were persons number 7 and 8. I wonder if something happens to kill most or all of the crew on the boat. The preview for next week shows Michael apologizing before pushing a big red button. I’m betting that he either blows up the helicopter or sinks the ship.

I’m sure that other people will make it off the island secretly. Probably in Desmond’s boat. We know Ben leaves, and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Juliet does too. I think Sawyer will get off too, mainly because he’s too popular a character for the producers to just write him out for an entire season. Also, I can imagine him working for Ben much more easily than I can imagine Sayid doing so. Maybe Sawyer manages to con Ben into getting him off the island, and then screws Ben over and disappears on him. It would be totally in-character for him. I hope Desmond escapes, but I’m afraid he’s going to die soon. Locke won’t leave unless they make him. At this point, I expect that he’ll end up joining the Others, if Ben doesn’t kill him.

Incidentally, I’m a little disappointed that we didn’t learn why Jin was hand-delivering a watch to someone in America. Hopefully, we’ll learn more now that Michael is back. (He has the watch, after all.) I’m betting it had some sort of secret message hidden inside. Maybe a little flash-memory chip containing stolen information, or something along those lines.

I’ve got a wild theory about the fake plane at the bottom of the Ocean. Maybe there were two Oceanic 815’s. We’ve seen all sorts of wierd time-space warps happen to things that were approaching or leaving the island. Maybe, as Oceanic 815 was approaching the island, something actually caused the plane to bi-locate. The duplicate plane appeared in the Indian Ocean, and crashed into the Sunda Trench, while the original crashed on the island. As for why the “fake” pilot wasn’t wearing a wedding ring, maybe for some reason gold can’t bi-locate, so none of the duplicate passengers and crew have any sort of gold jewelery.

[Sir_Prize]

@Diceman

Remember how Jack claimed that 8 people survived the crash, but only 6 were rescued. Apparently, Claire and Jin were persons number 7 and 8.

Jin is supposed to have died the day of the crash so it’s very doubtful that he was of the two additional survivors. Aaron is supposed to be Kate’s kid so there is no reason for Claire be the other survivor.

[JohnT]

My random thoughts:

1. Ben is a good guy. Oh, he seems evil 'cause he’s so unlikable (and, you know, all those Dharma deaths), but in the end he’ll be on the side of Angels.
2. I don’t buy that Jin is actually dead. You can have a grave marker without a grave, and if the story is that there are only six survivors (and he’s not one of them), it’s perfectly reasonable that there would be a grave marker for him. It’s also too much like this show to “reveal” that Jin is dead, only later to reveal that he isn’t.
3. We don’t know the timeline yet, but it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that Hurley still has his money, or could have retrieved some of it after he came back. Being a California resident, his money would’ve passed (assuming he had no will) to his parents. http://sawdaydrake.typepad.com/estate_planning/2006/03/faq_what_happen.html
4. Where did Ben or whoever get a 747 to stage the fake crash? It’s not as if the things are mass-produced ala Big Macs, and I’m 99% sure that each plane is carefully tracked by Boeing and the various national aviation authorities. A 747 isn’t exactly something you can steal without nobody noticing.
5. I just reviewed the preview to this past episode and the voice over specifically states “you will know the last of the Oceanic Six.” We know the following people are no longer on the island (those with asterisk’s beside their names have been referenced as one of the Six):

Jack*
Sayid*
Kate*
Sun*
Hurley*
Aaron
Ben

Of the two non-asterisked people, we’re aware that Aaron is known to the authorities (and the press, given that Kate’s mom knows of his existence). Given that we also know that Ben can get on/off the island at will, and that an infant cannot, it’s only reasonable to assume that Aaron is one of the Six. Or that the voice-over was lying.
6. The person who dies in the next episode? My guess is Desmond. Why? Because!
7. When Sayid opened the note, I fully expected it to say “WAAAAAAALLLLLLLT!” I was rather disappointed that it said “Don’t trust the Captain” or whatever.

[John_Mace]

Lostpedia has a good article on The Oceanic 6. Seems like Aaron i the likely 6th.

* Aaron was revealed to be in Kate's care at the end of "Eggtown". He was not yet born when the flight crashed, but the public might consider him a "surviving passenger" of it. He has not been referred to as one of the six.
      o The official ABC promo for "Eggtown" claimed that another member of the Oceanic Six would be revealed in that episode. Since Kate was already semi-confirmed as per "Through the Looking Glass", this could be interpreted as referring to Aaron instead. Furthermore, the ABC promo for "Ji Yeon" claimed that the last of the Oceanic Six would be revealed in that episode, thereby suggesting that all the other members of the group had already been revealed by that point. 

[Hampshire]

@John Mace

Sun and all the hospital staff were speaking Korean. You must’ve been confused.

Ha! You’re right. I guess I’m so used to reading subtitles now I don’t even notice it anymore.

[John_Mace]

BTW, I think we can also assume that Claire is one of the Oceanic 2-- the two people who survived the crash but died on the island. Else Aaron would not have been born. My guess is that Charlie will be #2, since he is known to have communicated to the outside world.

[msmith537]

@Omniscient

Is he still rich? He was presumed dead, it’s safe to assume that his estate was dispersed. CBG was offering him an upgrade to a nicer nuthouse earlier this season for his cooperation. If Hurley is still fabulously rich you’d figure he could make that happen on his own.

I think it’s safe to say that even if that were true, they are all probably rich now. I’m sure there was more in their settlement with Oceanic Airlines than a golden ticket to fly whenever they want. In fact, I believe Sayid said on the golf course that he was of means and didn’t do much all day.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t realize that Oceanic Airlines was such a frequently used movie bullshit airline until I saw Executive Decision.

[Windwalker]

I wonder if it would be a good idea now to start a new airline as “Oceanic Airways”. You have millions upon millions of dollars of free start-up brand advertising done for you already. Just don’t number any of your flights 815 and you’re good to go.