From the after-show teasers for the next episode: Juliet says that Jack’s appendix has burst and, IIRC, he’s going to die from it.
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[li]I loved the line about “Australia being the key”. I felt that it had more than a bit of a double meaning since The Island is presumably in Oceania and “Australia” in the world of Risk is really Oceania. All this essentially means that The Island is the key to it all in the war between Ben and Widmore and perhaps even in the larger picture of the fate Dharma was supposedly created to prevent. Awesome stuff. [/li][li]Ben was apparently teleported to the middle of the desert and seems to pretty conclusively show that teleportation is one key to the mystery of The Island. Apparently the teleportation happens between someplace very cold and that location in the Sahara. This might explain why Polar Bears are on The Island and why they seem to have interest in them. They might have been early teleportation test subjects. This is reinforced by the fact that CS Lewis uncovered a Polar Bear with a Dharma collar in the desert. [/li][li]Were those guys seen speaking Portuguese in the Polar region at the end of Season 2 searching for the other end of the teleportation point? They were in contact with Penny and likely would be Widmore’s men and were monitoring the magnetic event. Seem like it would be connected. Maybe they were manning the teleportation point and Ben gains possession of it later on. [/li][li]I think there’s something very specific involving “The Rules” between Widmore and Ben. I noticed that the Mercenary shot Alex after Ben made a point of telling him that “Alex wasn’t his daughter”. Perhaps there was some prohibition on killing family members and Ben saying that she wasn’t family gave him the freedom to kill her. I can only assume Ben knew this. I’m not sure why he would have said that though. He simply could have been bluffing, but I’m not sure what he expected the bluff to accomplish. My prediction is that Ben wanted Widmore’s men to break the rules and chose to sacrifice his daughter to accomplish that. I also think that Ben set up Danielle and Alex to be ambushed to accomplish this goal. [/li][li]I think that Widmore and Ben are each other’s constants. That’s why they can’t kill one another. Instead of Love in Desmond’s case, they chose Hate as the emotion that anchors them in time. [/li][/ul]
Sawyer is finally starting to show concern for people other than himself. Innocent people are getting killed, and Locke doesn’t seem to care. Somebody has to show some responsibility, and Sawyer is the only one who has the balls to stand up to Locke and Ben.
Apparently, Miles’ mission doesn’t involve Jacob. If it did, he would have gone along with Ben and Locke.
I think that THIS is the best theory as to why they can’t kill each other. (Any other theory that I can think of involves some kind of omnipotent, omniscient (heh) rules-setter. And I was under the impression that the writers specifically said no to that.)
Back when Locke’s group split off from Jack’s, I noticed that a couple of redshirts went along. I’d been wondering if they were ever going to appear again.
As for Nadia’s death, I got the impression that Ben was surprised when he saw Sayid on TV. That Ishmael guy seemed to know who Ben was, and they definitely weren’t friends, so I’d say that Ben is probably right about Widmore killing Nadia. Ben probably has agents watching the Oceanic 6 (and any other castaways who are off-island, but are lying low) and the person assigned to Sayid might have gathered the information on the assassin before Ben even contacted him.
That said, Ben definitely manipulated Sayid into joining him. He wanted Sayid to ignore his advice about not seeking revenge. The tragic part is that it was good advice. Ben really does know how hatred can consume a person. I bet that at some point, he gets his hands on the mercenary who killed Alex. Locke tries to talk Ben out of killing the guy, but Ben won’t listen to him, and the mercenary dies a really nasty death. That’s why Ben knows that Sayid won’t listen to his advice to walk away and get on with his life.
Just wondering if anyone knows the name if the piano piece Ben was playing?
If that’s true, then one or both of them is from another time. I bet Widmore is the captain of the Black Rock…just a WAG.
Bravo.
Rachmaninoff’s Prelude in C# Minor, Opus 3, No. 2.
Re: about Ben not being able to kill Widmore.
I think the “constant” idea is an interesting one, but I while watching, especially since Ben was unsure of the date, I thought that perhaps the reason he can’t kill Widmore is because he has seen Widmore in the future, and knows that nothing he will do can change the fact that Widmore will be alive on that future date.
Would also explain why Mr Freindly knew Michael could not kill himself - he knew somehow of Michael’s existence in the future.
I sometimes think that there is no question that one can ask on the Dope that will not be answered within an hour. My evidence: this thread. I had been chasing that song for almost 30 years, and I get my answer in 27 minutes.
I don’t think that Time Travel like that has been really hinted at in the show. So far we’ve seen Desmond and Faraday’s rat’s consciousness was able to jump back and forth between their bodies but no one has actually physically traveled in time. Time seems to get slowed down when you go to and from the island, but they aren’t leaping forward or back in time.
Perhaps The Island allows people to stop aging and Widmore was on the Black Rock and lived on the Island for centuries and didn’t age, but I’m not sure that he’d have traveled in time.
A few thoughts :
In an earlier episode, bout 2 years ago or so, Ben said that God doesn’t know where the Island is. In this episode Charles Widmore doesn’t know where the Island is. Significant?
So, Ben hasn’t been to Tunisia in a while. Not since it was The Garden Of Eden maybe.
And the guy with the candle names, Lucifer the lightbringer, perhaps?
Time travel has definitely been hinted at. Remember the old lady who told Desmond he couldn’t be with Penny? Remember this last episode when Ben had to ask what year it was? Remember the Doctor’s body washing up on the island when he was still alive on the boat?
I can’t remember, what did Daniel say and what did Bernard say was the Morse conversation?
-Joe
They had better not kill my baby, James Ford, or I will cut a bitch. Last night’s episode cemented my love for that would be con artist and I know he is a goood man now.
He insisted Hurley come in addition to Claire and the kid. When Locke recoiled, my baby Sawyer never gave an inch: Hurley comes with us
Ben and Locke do some stupid shit
Sawyer:ayou don’t heve to do this.
Sawyer" Hugo!
The “Hugo” is everthing to me, Sawyer is my heto, I am so scared form him right now
Has it been established that Desmond actually travelled through time when talking to the old woman? Isn’t it just as likely he hallucinated the whole thing?
Ben I can’t explain.
But Faraday lied about the doctor being fine on the boat, per Bernard.
No. Faraday told a different lie. The boat actually said the doctor was fine, per Bernard.
Uhhh…no. Not when they later established that he did travel in time.
No, you’ve got it backwards. Faraday said the boat’s answer was that everything was okay and they were sending the chopper in the morning. Bernard said the answer was “What are you talking about? The doctor is fine.”
OK, I was wrong about the doctor, but when did that happen?