It just occurred to me today how similar Sayid’s recent flashback with the brother and the killing-the-chicken problem is to Eko’s backstory. Now I am indeed scared that the Smoke Monster will get Sayid.
Jin was with Sawyer’s gang. They all joined together.
Jin’s story is the same as the story that Sawyer concocted for the other Losties who were jumping through time - he was part of a crew of a salvage vessel that crashed on the island.
Yeah, I was wondering if the temple was going to somehow tie in with Defcon Penguin.
What do you mean? As far as the Dharmies know, Jin was part of “LaFleur’s” group that wrecked on the island. What other story does Jin need that Sawyer, Miles, Juliet, (and maybe Faraday) don’t? Why he didn’t speak english well?
sorry. I thought Jin ran into the Dharma folks at a separate time from Sawyer, Juliet, etc. and that he had to come up with his own story. Confused about “Lost”. How could that happen.
Yes! Of course, the whole Indy vibe of the scene helped.
Has anyone considered that Ben carved the hieroglyphics under his househimself? You know, dug himself a little Monster-summoning terminal?
Also, I’m curious about Richard Alpert. He seems to be outside the regular Other chain of command. That, combined with his apparent immortality, makes me think that maybe he’s some sort of “servitor” of Jacob and the Island, like Ariel in the Tempest. Maybe that’s why Widmore didn’t question his messages from Jacob.
It’s complicated.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from LOST, it’s that main characters aren’t dead until you see them die melodramatically. It’s why I never thought Jin was dead and is one of the few times I’ve ever predicted anything in LOST correctly.
Last night’s episode was fannnnnnnnnntastic, by the way. And, for what it’s worth, I’m in the “Locke’s not dead” camp—the island cured his legs, saved him when Ben shot him—it’s just not letting Locke die, for whatever reason. As an aside: does anyone remember back in season 1 or 2 when Locke was suddenly paralyzed again? Just for an episode? What was that about?
:dubious: Sometimes not even then.
Touche, Doper, touche.
I believe Locke was doubting the Island at the time. Wasn’t that when Boone died?
That feels right to me. IIRC he was arm-dragging himself through that field with the Nigerian plane. Which means what, though? That the island was reminding him “John—I know you think Boone shouldn’t have died. Need I remind you you should not be walking? Trust me.”
Maybe, but in that scene the writers were careful to imply that other mental patients could see Charlie, which at least puts the idea in our heads that something else was going on.
Eko’s story was that he killed an old man to save his brother, became a thug and fake priest, and then even after trying to be a real priest, sort of, later hacked a bunch of guys to death. Sayid’s childhood flashback was him killing a CHICKEN. Sayid has a heck of a lot more to answer for in his torturing days and stint as an assassin motivated by bloodthirsty revenge.
Like, say, falling for Shannon.
UNFORGIVEABLE!
I can’t see Ben getting a pass from ol’ Smokey and Sayid failing in that regard.
True, but it felt like the chicken-killing scene was there to mark Sayid’s essential willingness to kill on demand. I’m still really confused about what the Island wants and how it judges people; whether its apparent callousness about the lives of non-Others is actually an artifact of sneaky lying Ben, or if the Island is just a big selfish meanie.
Though it occurs to me that Sayid shooting Ben was what got Ben Otherized, so assuming the Island likes having Ben on its list, maybe it’s happy with Sayid.
I always sort of figured that Sayid was going to end up with the Others this season, after getting pegged as one. His shooting of Ben may or may not screw that up, but I doubt he’s going to get recaptured by Dharma.
Again, I think it might be important that Eko said, flat out, that he sought no forgiveness: he felt everything he had done was justified for him to survive. I’m not sure Sayid would necessarily be like that in the face of his confessor. Ben certainly came close insofar as he claimed that most of what he did was for the Island, but the monster only really seemed to care about Alex, which Ben felt truly guilty about.
Which annoys me, because I totally don’t blame Ben at all for her death. He sincerely thought that he could save her by claiming not to care about her: he never expected that they’d just execute her straight out in the face of that.
I’m still curious as to why Widmore seemed to sincerely believe that it wasn’t his fault that Alex had died though. Maybe he just meant that Ben forced him to do it by resisting him, which is a pretty lame excuse. But for that matter, since none of his goons lived to tell him what happened, why would he even know that Alex had died at all, let alone know how it happened such that he could claim no responsibility?
The island killed Boone, so John would pound on the hatch door, preventing Desmond from killing himself.
Hurley knew. So, he could have told Sun, who then told Widmore.
Ben himself told Widmore that, when he stopped by his penthouse. Remember the exchange where he said he was going to kill Penny because his goons killed Alex?