They’d probably like that. I think their backs get itchy. Sometimes you can see them rubbing their backs against a tree. Bet that feels good.
For some reason it didn’t occur to me that they were on “Alcatraz”. Now it makes sense that Locke was looking so intently at the “other island” – it was really the Island.
So, are they actually in the 1950s? When did Dharma first come to the Island?
ETA: It was funny that somebody (Charles Widmore) within the show finally commented on the character names. When he gave John Locke the fake ID with the name Jeremy Bentham, he said something like, “Your parents had fun with your name, so why shouldn’t I?”
How could anybody possibly, for a moment, trust either Benjamin or Widmore? We don’t know whether Widmore lies as much as Ben, but we do know they’re both utterly ruthless when pursuing their agendas – and they always have an agenda.
It seems like John is so desperate for his life to have meaning, that he’ll go along with whoever has most recently offered a path. Ben, then Richard, then Christian, then Widmore, then Ben again . . . .
Reminds me – did we ever find out the end to that flashback of when he was part of a pot-growing commune? Did he murder the undercover narcotics officer, or didn’t he?
In any case, he’s killed on the Island. So far we’ve seen these “good guy” cast members take a life (in some cases, several lives):
Kate
Sawyer
Charlie
Sayid
John Locke
Ana Lucia
And I’m probably forgetting some. Sometimes entirely justifiable self-defense, sometimes cold-blooded murder. Guilt, suffering and (maybe) redemption are big themes on the show. (Thanks, Captain Obvious!)
I know, but it just feels like it’s becoming a turd circling the drain. The more the plot twists look like Days of our Lives the more I’m convinced the end episode will ultimately be unsatisfying and I will have wasted another year and a half.
I can get the answers from you when it’s all over.
Gfactor: You’re wrong.
Me: No! Impossible! You suck! I’ll never believe you!
Gfactor: You have to believe me.
Me: Why?
Gfactor: It’s complicated.
Me: Oh, that makes perfect sense, then. I’ll climb into this refrigerator now. You promise you’ll let me out, right?
We also know that there is no chance either one of them turn out to be “good”. They both have shown themselves to be irredeemably bad people, Widmore especially in my mind, after his disgusting little speech to Desmond long ago about how worthless a human he is.
I don’t think that Widmore’s disapproval of his daughter’s choice in men alone makes him “irredeemably bad,” regardless of how Desmond has shown that he is a pretty good guy. Now, if Widmore truly did plot to have Desmond stranded on the island, that might better prove your point toward how bad he is.
While on the subject of Losties who have killed other people…
Jack killed the US Marshall (although I’m not sure if this counts as murder).
Juliet killed Danny.
Hurley ran over the dude in the van (and kind of killed Nikki and Paulo).
Sun shot that Other chick on the boat back in… season 2? Sorry, my details are vague on this one. The actress playing the Other was Trixie in Deadwood, though.
Yeah, you’re right. I guess what I meant by putting good in quotes was that neither can turn into people we are supposed to like in the end, unless they have a demonstrable “I’m changing my ways” kind of moment.
This most recent episode throws another curveball into our perception of who’s right and wrong re: the island. While we know Ben is a liar, we seemed to have decent evidence last season that Widmore is worse than Ben. Ben’s reaction to the fact that Locke was sent to Eloise Hawking by Jacob/Christian seems to imply (building on something we’ve seen since late season 3) that Ben is trying to take control of the island against the actual rightful authority over the Others.
This is really super-cool. I don’t know the ending of course, but we really can see things coalescing into a coherent picture.
