Anyone hear that Evangeline Lilly is auditioning for pilots for the fall, which likely means that Kate is going to be killed off this season?
I think there are certain things that, if he were lying, it would actually be an unfair fake out. Ben seems REALLY upset and hurt at the idea that the island seems to have rejected him. Some things about his character have to be real, and established in the series as real, to have him be truly interesting, and I would sort of feel a real cheapoid fakeout if even the core of Ben’s feelings about things like that were a lie, even knowing that he’s a lying nigh-sociopath.
Would you really accept it if it turned out that Ben didn’t actually care about Alex at all, that it was all an elaborate fake?
I think Kate realizes “they” will never let her go. She fixes Aaron up so he won’t be bothered and agrees to go.
Hurley…I think he’s felt they have to go back since Jack first visited him in the hospital. Besides, he had to buy out the 78 other seats on the plane.
Well, what I was getting at was that if events in the show don’t match nicely with things Ben says, I fall on the side of “Ben is lying again” and I save myself a headache. I didn’t mean that everything he says is a lie.
Regarding this woman Lapidus ran off with: I’m wondering if maybe she’s someone planted on the plane by Widmore. You’d think, if he was keeping such a close eye on everyone, he’d try and sneak someone onto the plane in order to have someone working for him on the island. (Yes, I know, Sayid seems to have offed everyone watching the O6, but it’s not unlikely for there to have been others still)
Yes but that was debunked. She’s signed on through the end of the series.
Richard and the Others who were on the island at the time of the move were shown not to have flashed along with the Losties. But Juliet, former Other, did. Hmm…
Nope. Clearly a set up for future flashbacks. The producers have already mentioned that what happened with Aaron will be addressed in episode 11.
I’m guessing either we’ll get one episode for everybody, or one episode for each person, but either way they are saving for future flashbacks explanations of why Kate got on the plane, why Hurley did and how he found out about it, why Sayid was brought in custody, what happened to Ji Yeon when Sun came along, why Ben was broken and bloody at the dock before hand, and who the two new people are. Lots of mysteries set up in that episode!
re the loss of Abbadon: someone above thought it was a lousy way to lose a cool character. Hope it’s not just because the actor who played him is a regular on Fringe.
They would SAY that whether it’s true or not, though.
I think you’re reading too much into it. I think he’s just referring to “peaceful” times as the 40s (Widmore was born in 1937 if “Jughead” took place in 1954) to the time of the Dharma purge in the 70s.
Mass murder is not something most people would call “peaceful”.
I’m not sure Abbadon was a really cool character. He was certainly played by a cool looking actor. His grimaces alone were worth watching. But in this episode, he talked more than in past appearances, so some of the mystery rubbed off. And I really didn’t care that much for him.
Of course, it was yet another black character that got offed! 
I think they like it when people speculate whether characters will live or die. Confirming anything about Kate would be counterproductive.
However, I would be stunned if Kate dies. That said, we should get a pool going on which characters die before the end of the series. I’m sure some of our main characters will not make it to the end.
The Purge was in 1992. I’m guessing Widmore took over sometime in the 60’s and led until around the rise of Ben. However, I think he was lying about peaceful times. The hostiles were clearly at war with Dharma when Ben was a kid.
You’re right. I meant to write “war” and instead wrote “purge”. I blame it on it being 1:30 in the AM when I wrote that. Still, Widmore was telling the truth about the 30 years of peaceful times (at least, from we’ve been shown so far).
Even if she stopped being a regular, I think it’s pretty certain that she’d reappear in the show in some form or another again, alive or dead. And not being on the show as a regular doesn’t imply much. Walt is still alive. Claire isn’t in this season, but its not really clear whether she was alive or dead when she was in the Cabin.
Makes sense.
And again, we wonder why they didn’t just charter a flight. But then we wouldn’t have brand new Lostaways.
Yep, Widmore’s a bastard, all right. He was a 17-year-old shit; now he’s a 70-year-old shit. Ben will do horrible things in cold blood, but I had the impression young Widmore wanted to chop off Julia’s hand because of his need to dominate people (his obsession with receiving what he defines as respect).
Maybe the island required it to be a passenger plane. They had to give Locke Christian’s shoes to simulate the experience of the first crash. I don’t think it would accept a substantially smaller plane.
The island demands a sacrifice!
As for Widmore, I think you are right. He broke his comrade’s neck pretty callously (and ultimately, it was for naught).
I think it will be funny to find that they are both bad guys and somehow the “good ones” stranded on the island are some form of jury to decide who wins…
…results to be announced by Jeff Probst.
Kate’s agents and Kate herself are denying it quite vigorously, and the gossip columns are doing likewise. Whereas with previous people leaving the show it’s either been pretty much an open secret or they’ve been coy about it.
The arm thing actually bothers me more. The killing your fellow Other to avoid capture thing seems to be more of a standard Other thing as seen with the Russian guy shooting Olivia at the Flame station.
Nooooo… I would have noticed if the Creature From the Black Lagoon were reading a magazine. 
BTW, from that overhead shot of the plane (Ajira 316), it looked quite intact. Given that some were hurt, but they didn’t mention passengers killed, I’d say that this was less of a crash than an emergency landing. Looks like Lapidus managed to bring the plane down more or less safely.
When Kate and Sawyer were captive, were they building a runway?
Was I the only one who had this thought, regarding Ben killing Locke?
Ben was saving Locke, until he heard all that Locke had to say, at which point he realized from what he heard (because of information that he had that we don’t, I guess) that Locke dying was part of the necessary chain of events that had to happen to get everyone back to the island? Remember, Locke knew he was going to have to die. Ben seemed, to me at least, to be reluctant and “doing what must be done” when he killed Locke, more than “woohoo, now I get to kill him and get on with my evil plan!” To me it seemed like he realized that in stopping Locke from committing suicide, he was disrupting what was supposed to happen, so he had to set things back on track.