F*#kity, F*#k, F*#k. Two people I’m suspicious of are going hard at each other at the last minute. Err, sh#t.
Pedescribe: Why didn’t you block anyone night 3? If you were really the town role blocker, shouldn’t you have kept blocking shadow, if you thought you’d prevented a kill by doing so? That really just doesn’t make sense. And why not claim with a full name and PM? And why not say SOMETHING today before now?
I don’t have time to say more, but I’ll try to check in before noon to see your response. As for now, I’ll leave my vote where it is; I’ve been suspicious of you for days. If we’re wrong about you, then meeko can clear away shadow tonight or we can lynch him tomorrow (yay having a vigilante, allows for lynch one, shoot one).
I’m trying to talk around this, but Shadow’s put it out there and there it is. ped, I understand why you’re doing what you’re doing, but there comes a point where hiding something loses its value, or rather becomes less valuable than revealing it.
I’m not going to speak for pedescribe here, but I really really think he should speak for himself.
Follow up thought, NETA:
Maybe pedescribe’s block of ShadowFacts extended to blocking the use of role abilities on Shadow. Now I really want to know pedescribe’s role PM, as if I’m right (fat chance, the way things have been going), then pedescribe’s role blocking ability might double as a protection ability.
Which still doesn’t explain why storyteller got no result on his Night 3 investigation.
Story, I appreciate the responses on the mechanical aspects. That all helps.
Or that pedescribe intentionally chose a name that would have been assigned a town power role, knowing that it would force the actual Jack into the difficult predicament of exposing himself before any scum had actually been caught, right? I mean, if I can figure that out scum can figure it out. I’d expect that’s a tried-and-true scum tactic by this point when there’s a canon to work with - claim the most powerful character, and you either get trusted, or you expose the real one. Maybe the real Jack thinks that with a full day to go, it isn’t worth falling for it if pedescribe can be hoist on his own petard.
Further, a lack of a counterclaim after like an hour isn’t that telling in the first place.
I agree – in fact I was just saying something like that a little earlier – but the question here is why are you making that assumption? It’s certainly a coherent narrative, don’t get me wrong. It could very well be that what you’re assuming is exactly what’s happening. But for those of us in the dark in terms of who everyone else really is (by which I mean, those of us who don’t know for sure that you’re a town detective, and so on) it’s helpful to be able to flesh out the possibilities.
Oh for the love of Mike, everytime I try to be cute and subtexty, someone comes along and just says it.
OK, fine. pedescribe is very likely to be some variant on a “paranoid Doctor,” a role that protects his target, but also prevents his target from acting.
I have not disclosed this before, but I received the same protection message on Night One, when I revealed that I might have been role blocked. This was why I went to some pains to indicate that I wasn’t sure whether the offense was a role-block - because I thought the protection and the block might have been connected. Nights Two and Three, I received no response to my investigation but no protection message.
So:
The player that protected me Night One is the same as the one that protected ShadowFacts Night Two. pedescribe claims to have targeted me Night One and Shadow Night Two. It is theoretically possible that Scummy pedescribe, pulling the whole thing out of his rear end, somehow knew that the as-yet-unrevealed Doctor protected me Night One and Shadow Night Two, and tailored his false claim accordingly. It is possible, but not bloody likely.
I suspect that there is pedescribe, a Paranoid Doc, and Player X, a pro-Scum roleblocker. I think the pro-Scum role-blocker has been busily blocking me Nights Two and Three.
I think ShadowFacts reaction to all this screams Scum. I mean, in big loud screamy sounds. What did Shadow’s reveal of the protection message really accomplish? If Shadow were Town, keeping the existence of a Doctor under wraps would have been important at this stage. Did Shadow really fail to consider the possibility that the role-block and the protect were related? No - Shadow doesn’t want to get lynched, and definitely wants us to lynch a power role, so he blurted out information that a Townie wouldn’t have revealed in that spot hoping to confuse things.
OK, first of all, it was late when I posted that vote, I was tired, and I hadn’t at the time considered the possibility of a role-blocker on both sides. Unvote pedescribe
pending any counter-claim.
Also because of my tiredness, I forgot to unvote ShadowFacts. Just to make things clear, (Re)-Vote Shadowfacts
It’s possible that, if pede is telling the truth, that his block of ShadowFacts was the reason there was no kill Night 2, in which case ShadowFacts is definitely Scum. This strengthens my previous case.
Quoth storyteller:
Check your math: 12.5 plus 9 = 21.5, plus another point from having a Day start for 22.5. So assuming that covers all of the power roles, and that you valued Meeko and AllWalker correctly, that would give us 22.5 Town vs. 20 Scum in the 4-Scum case, or 21.5 Town vs. 24.5 Scum in the 5-Scum case. So we’re looking at either a 2.5 point imbalance or a 3 point imbalance, either of which look about equally plausible. More likely, I think, if Mahaloth used JSexton points, is that there’s one more minor power on one side or the other to balance things.
Finally, quoth Scuba_Ben:
storyteller is a pretty shrewd player, but I would find it unlikely that he’d have managed to hit Scum on all three of his investigations.
On the other hand, if pede is a paranoid doc as storyteller is suggesting, then the lack of kill on Night 2 could also mean that ShadowFacts is innocent and was targeted by the Scum that night, and that the lack of kill was because he was protected. pede, we really need to see your full role PM to unravel this.
Storyteller got a protection notice on Night 1 and ShadowFacts did on Night 2. (Both posted on this page, IIRC.)
I understand the no-result on pede for Night 1. But why on Nights 2 and 3?
a: storyteller is lying with passion.
b: there is indeed a Scum role blocker interfering with story.
At this point, I’m supporting B, and we need to kill the Scum’s role blocker.
We only have your word that you received the same PM I did, since you did not actually post it and danced around it, setting up your later claim to have been blocked every night. You now claim to have been blocked by two separate role-blockers for the entire game. Boy, are you popular! Or you’re not really a Detective and are simply using “blocks” as an excuse for not having any results. There is *no evidence whatsoever *that you are actually a Detective.
I had not considered it before, but I think pedescribe as Paranoid Doc is actually plausible, given his claim and my PM. But I don’t think there is a Player X, there is just you, not getting results because you are not a real Detective. AllWalker was our real Detective, and you’re trying to railroad me before everyone figures that out (which they will, toMorrow, if you are successful).
Why is posting the truth of the PM I received scummy? I thought I had been protected Night Two and the scum tried to kill me, resulting in no kill. Since pedescribe claimed to be a roleblocker, it only made sense that he was scum. Revealing that is pro-Town. I wasn’t thinking Paranoid Doctor. If pedescribe is a PD, then he is not necessarily scum. But you obviously are.
Seriously, what’s more likely? That there are TWO roleblockers and TWO Detectives, or that storyteller is once again scum claiming to be a Detective, with no evidence and no results to back up his claim?