I’m wondering if Dream-Yemi is the same as Smoke-Ghost Yemi. They certainly didn’t act the same.
About 1/2 way through 3x04 (had to pause it). Smoke-Ghost Yemi just walked off into the woods. I obviously missed a number of Season 3 eps.
I’m starting to think you might be right, maybe they’re separate; though if so I’d consider that a dirty trick on the writers’ part.
Dream-Yemi told Eko to follow Locke, and showed Locke where the Pearl hatch was, both pro-Islandy sorts of things. Is Smokey not pro-Island?
Sorry, I’m confused – I thought “Every Man for Himself” was Season 3 episode 4, and Eko’s not in that one at all.
Maybe 3x05 or 3x03? It’s the one where Juliette* does the tv-thing for Jack.
*Who’s very, VERY pretty but there’s something weird about her smile (or her cheeks when she smiles)–not bad, just weird.
Oh, with the cue cards? That’s 3x05, “The Cost of Living.” gotcha.
Yeah, I notice that too. It reminds me slightly of the weird thing Marilyn Monroe used to do with her smile because when she was young someone told her not to show her upper teeth so much. Kind of stiff or held-looking. I don’t notice it so much when she’s smiling broadly for real, happily, so maybe the actor is demonstrating tension. Or, hmmn… maybe she’s had a nose job or botox or something.
If you don’t remember who eye-patch guy is, then you missed a LOT of Seaosn 3 eps. 
He’s like, Mr. Rasputin in that Season.
Ok–I’m watching the ep with Desmond’s backstory (the one that introduces Mrs Hawking, creepy time-lady) and the ep pretty conclusively proves that the stuttery science guy (daniel?) is wrong on the “Whatever happened, happened” thing.
- Des interacted with Charlie which he hadn’t before.
- The soccer (?) match is different (butterfly effect?) and no one beats up the barkeep with a cricket mallet or bat or whatever.
- (and this is the capper) Mrs. Creepy-Time-Lady Hawking point blank says “No. This is wrong. You’re not supposed to buy the ring” and he does, anyway.
There’s a huge difference between Mrs Hawking’s “Time has a way of course correction” which implies that little changes are no big deal (which jibes with what we’ve seen–including later eps where Daniel(?) changes Desmond’s memory/history) and also implies that big changes are…possible if unlikely, and the flat-out, absolute (and wrong) theory of science-guy that “Whatever happened, happened.”
Ok–continuity fuck-up. I just saw the (great*) ep where Hurley breaks the Numbers curse by fixing up Roger’s old Dharma van.
Purge happened in 1992, give or take, right?
Why was he in a 1970s era van (which was a collector’s item by then), using an 8-Track Tape player (obsolete by about 1977 or so), listening to a song by Three Dog Night written in 1972-ish?
Frankly, parts and maintenance for the Dharma vans by the late '80s (especially given that they’re being used for off-road use–which they weren’t intended for) would end up being more expensive than buying a bunch of used SUVs and
the Dharma guys clearly weren’t lacking for funds.
I’m guessing the producers meant to have the purge be in the early 1980s (Which would also explain the decor, music and tech in The Hatch), but that would have made Ben waaaaaaaay too young when it happened.
I dunno why this bugs me so much, but it does.
*The guy who plays Sawyer did an amazing bit of acting when Hurley hugged him…
I see what you’re saying, and it bugged me slightly too, but
- I drove my parents’ 1974 VW van in the late 80s and early 90s (learned to parallel park in it, too) before they traded it in for a Dodge Caravan (pleh). They did not get much money for it. I don’t think it was considered a collector’s item then.
- Lots of folks still listen to Three Dog Night, though not so many on 8-tracks.
- In island nations with import difficulties (like, say, Cuba) old equipment like that is normal.
- We know Dharma was rolling in dough in 1977, but how long did that last?
I can’t remember where I learned this, whether I picked it up from the show or from something online, but I think the canon timeline is that they got their budget slashed in 1987.5) The Island Dharma folks were pretty thoroughly isolated from pop culture after they landed.
Have you seen “The Man Behind the Curtain” yet? It’s late season 3.
But you weren’t driving your Dharma bus over rough terrain–they’re not off road vehicles. 
Heh–Of all the Others, the gay one: fake beard? Tom? is really cool.
And goddamn, I loathe Ben but the actor is so damned good at playing a smarmy bad-guy.
Locke: "Man from Tallahassee? What is that? Some sorta code?
Ben (acerbically): "No John. Unfortunately, we don’t have a code for "There’s a man in my closet with a gun to my daughter’s head…
Ben (thoughtfully):…although obviously we should.
Wasn’t something said a while back about how, because he turned the failsafe, that the rules no longer applied to Desmond? I thought so, and assumed that’s why Faraday was pounding on the hatch to talk to Desmond back during the time jumps – only Desmond could help them because only Desmond can break the rules and change things.
It’s Desmond’s changes that get course corrected, hence why he could save Charlie over and over, but in the end, Charlie still got course corrected out. The timeline’s been changed, but at this point it doesn’t matter anymore, Charlie’s dead either way.
This has bothered me since the first time we saw one. I also wondered how much gasoline they had stockpiled. I assume, without deciding, that the Others used the buses until they ran out of parts or gas because we know they were still using them during the Purge.
I agree. The Purge seems seriously out of place in 1992. If for no other reason than that means Danielle lived on the island with Dharma folks running around it for 3 years and never bothered to get herself or Alex rescued.
Never even saw a Dharma person for that matter and that’s not how the Purge flashbacks portrayed Dharma life right before it.
(talking out of ass here)
What are the odds that Danielle ended up on the island such that she had Smokey between her and Dharmaville?
-Joe
Danielle said that she never saw any of the Dharma stuff, other than the radio tower. She also said she stayed safe by avoiding the Others, so it’s possible she saw Dharma people and hid from them.
Also, that means that the radio towers must have been abandoned before the purge (possibly because it was in hostile territory), because the message had been going for 16 years.
Huh. That seems plausible to me, especially given that Smokey seems to move pretty much at will around the island. He could have taken it into his smoky little head to corral her to where she wouldn’t get in any Dharma-ites’ or Others’ way.
Watching, it’s pretty clear they realized that Ben was a problem.
The Hatch makes it pretty obvious that the purge was around 1979 or so-latest. So does The Pearl (lookit those TV sets and the chairs). The flame? Moves things forward to around 1984 or so (the Apple II chess computer and bunker exploder). Then we actually get inside New Otherton and the Others have CD players, modern furniture (you think Dharma would get rid of the harvest gold/avacado green appliances before they replaced the busses?) and it’s suddenly up to mid/late '80s.
Dude, I’m so with you, but I’m willing to give the writers a pass on this one *because *they say they had the Ben character in mind all along *but *didn’t realize at first that they already had him in Michael Emerson. If anachronistic but explainable cultural timestamps are the price we have to pay to keep Mr. Emerson, I’m pretty much for it.
Now when it comes to bad science (rather than questionable continuity) like the fillings-are-magnetic deal, I need a little more lift for my suspension of disbelief. Surely Alvarez (Fillings guy) could have had, I dunno, a CCR pinback or something that did him in?
I dunno–it’s so much creepier for the project to have been abandoned since the '70s. The hatch (and the numbers) are what hooked me on Lost. Up 'till then, it was a less-diverse Gilligan’s Island with hawt kids with less talent. (Jim Backus was a GIANT! A GIANT, I SAY!–and Maryann vs Kate? Maryann is like 23, 000 times hotter. )
The problem with Alvarez is: How did he get into a position where there’s a direct line-of-sight from the filling in his mouth to his temple to the anomaly 50 feet underground? Did he see Dr. Candle, take a deep head-to-knees bow and have the inside of the bow be just inside the anomoly?
Wait—the Island doesn’t heal people, Jacob does? And he can do it remotely? So is Jacob “The Island”?
The hatch also had some extremely modern washing machines. You could argue product placement or prop error, but I believe that John made mention of the fact that they were new.
DHARMA just didn’t have a lot of money in the latter years and was cut off from society. They had no reason to keep upgrading stuff.