On the other hand, he’s basically immortal unless he falls and breaks his neck. No disease or aging, but physical damage can kill him. Now, elf psychology is no doubt different from human, so maybe they wouldn’t be immediately cautious, but after 1,000 years I’d think all the adventurous “Hey, look at the trick I can do!” elves would be dead-and-buried, while the ultra-cautious never-have-two-feet-off-the-ground-at-one time ones would be the only ones left.
Actually, he’s immortal even if he dies…all it means is he’d wake up in the West. For example, the elf who met the fellowship at the ford (in the book) had once simul-killed a balrog, himself.
You could make that argument, but it’s sortof a different point than the one that is being discussed - this isn’t really about who was CREATED first. It’s about who is oldest (i.e. has been around the longest). Since dwarves DO die of old age, there aren’t going to be any left from “back then.”
I believe Glorfindel and Luthien were the only two elves allowed to return to Middle Earth after dying though, so as far as fighting skills go, one death is all you get, as there’s no orcs or other things to fight in the Undying Lands.
I’m not sure how much that’s a matter of what’s allowed, versus most elves (quite sensibly) not wanting to return to Middle Earth once reaching the Undying Lands one way or another. For that matter, I don’t think those two are even explicitly stated to be the only ones to return, either: Just, if there were others, they’re not mentioned in the written works.
It’s well known elves have small pianists – which is why there are so few of them…
Sure as heckfire.
“Hold my brandywine. Watch this!”
I find myself astonished to say this to you, but…
Fool of a Took!
The elves had already been created when Aule got all uppity; they just hadn’t awoken yet. Check your Sil. I’ll bet all the money I stole from that old man in the wheelchair last night against all the pennies in your change jar.
On the other hand, Tolkien believed that elvish names were unique, and when he realized that he’d used the name Glorfindel twice, he ended up retconning the Silmarilion to allow for Elvish reincarnation.
So it’s possible they could both be the same individual.
:dubious:
This is not a debate on who was conceived first. At least such was not my intent.
Elves asleep and in the ‘womb’ of the earth (later volumes of HOMES have some nifty description of this) vs. Dwarves awake and quaking in fear in Aulë’s chambers. Who was born first? Not who was conceived first. Dwarves were born first, then stuffed into the womb for another go at it later (how very different from my own past OB practice.)
Besides, I have no pennies in my change jar. All pennies go into the gas station “need a penny take a penny” cup, after careful inspection looking for rare pennies. And I routinely shake down the guy in the wheelchair to inspect his pennies, too.
Take your facts back to Wales where they belong.
I had a different guy.
Finland, Finland, Finland! With the brothers Lemminkäinen and Lemminkugel.
Did he have any good pennies? Once I got a 1909 VDB from an old woman dressed in squirrel fur.
I don’t have contempt for the Finns. They’re practically kin to Beowulf.
If you liked Turin, you’ll love Finland’s Kullervo which inspired JRRT to create Turin.
I am … troubled … that you seem to think I have not read Kullervo, and I will taking out my rage on whatever scapegoat I have designated the Mercotan’s whipping boy.
I…NM
No, I cannot. Sir, may I remind you, you are a physician!
Only when the Sun is high.
Though the Mercoptan would say when Arien is high, of course.
Well, duh.
But did you read it in the Finnish? Else it’s no different from watching a street mime perform it.