Love vs. Codependence

How do you tell the difference, for sure?
I’m thinking of myself, of course, and my partner. We started off as friends, then best friends, then just… fell for each other.

It’s new and beautiful and interesting and it’s something I’ve never felt before with another person. I’m a very cautious person and fairly closed-off, not terribly emotional or romantic, and definitely not very trusting. I’m also not likely to express this sort of thing about or to another person, in general. So when I found her, it was like something was lifted from me. I felt both like I suddenly understood what all these humans were talking about in songs and poetry and like I was experiencing something new to the world that nobody could quite understand. She gets me. She knows me. I allow her to know me in ways that I never thought I’d allow anyone to know me. And I love everything about her and understand her in a way I don’t think anyone does. It’s like we’re two members of the same alien species finally finding one of our kind.

The problem is the outside world. Mostly, our parents.

First of all, the fact that we’re two chicks doesn’t help matters at all. Neither of us are exactly out-and-proud gays. She is more than I am, but she’s bisexual and tends to prefer guys. But she had her baby’s dad on speakerphone the other day (he’s on better terms than she is with her parents, for some reason. It’s very weird.) and was asking him what her parents’ problem was with her and if it was me. He waffled and she pressed- “do they have a problem with Dorothy?” The answer was yes- they thought we were becoming codependent and that our relationship was unhealthy.

I don’t think it is, but I grant that it’s a possibility. For her to be happy is one of the best things I can imagine. And when I have the chance, I try to make it so. I miss her when she’s gone and think I would be seriously upset if anything were to happen to her. But it’s not that I have to have her approval on everything or can’t live outside of her, or that she can’t for me. There’s nothing destructive about this, as far as I can tell. Part of what makes it work is that what we both want is each other’s genuine happiness. Her taking care of herself makes me happy and vice versa.

The problem is, I’ve never felt like this before. I’ve never been so close to somebody in my life and don’t actually know what it’s supposed to feel like to be in love, versus what it’s like to be codependent. It’s easy to say that what we have is right and perfect and it’s a matter of the fact that our parents are awful (which is probably a factor- we get more dependent on each other when our parents come into the picture because both of us have awful parents and look to each other for refuge), but I’m also not very good at being a healthy person.

So what do you guys, as people with little stock in either one of us, think? Does this sound unhealthy or normal? How do we tell the difference, when neither of us really knows how to be normal in the first place?

I’m not seeing codependency in your description, but you don’t go into a lot of detail in your description of the relationship.

Does one of you have a problem that the other is enabling? Addiction? Mental illness? Any unhealthy behavior at all? Are you putting your partner’s needs ahead of your own? Is one of you controlling the other, or overly passive, or suffering from cripplingly low self-esteem?

Simply being especially attached to one another isn’t “codependent.” It’s a concept that came out of Alcoholics Anonymous, not as a general description for passionate but healthy relationships.

My own experience (disclosure: I’m a male, 48, married for 23 years, two kids) has been that there are stages of love. The first, and the most powerful is infatuation (Greek: mania) mixed in with lust (eros). This lasts for a few weeks, and fades as you get to know the other person. If there is a strong foundation for the relationship, the infatuation stage is replaced by a mix of friendship (storge), selfless love (agape) and perhaps brotherly love (philos). If caring (caritas) is not present, then the relationship will not ultimately last. If none of these follow the infatuation stage, then the relationship ends quickly and often traumatically because of the intensity of the emotions involved.

You mention co-dependency as a possibility, and I tend to tread lightly around that term because I see it overused. Again, in my experience, a healthy relationship is one where you want the other person to be around, rather than need them around to make you feel wanted and loved. A healthy relationship is one where you and your partner have boundaries (physical, emotional, spiritual) that are respected and not breached without a clear understanding of when that intimacy is appropriate (which should be most of the time, but with reasonable exceptions). A healthy relationship is one where you do and say things that put the other person ahead of you in importance, but not so you can win points to be redeemed later. A healthy relationship does not want or need drama, but rather is an exercise in patience and non-judgmental, open communication. A healthy relationship is one where you can be comfortably absent from the other person (hours, days or weeks) and be able to immediately pick up the relationship after the absence without feeling like you have to win their love again. An unhealthy relationship is one where you live in constant unease or fear that you are not loved and accepted as you are, that you have to do something to earn love, that you have to force the other person to love you, or that the relationship is by default better than not being in a relationship.

Sounds healthy to me, but which equation do you think most fits your relationship?

1 + 1 = 1.5

1 + 1 = 2

1 + 1 = 11

SurrenderDorothy, is this your friend with the baby and the drug issues?

I hate the term ‘codependance.’ My husband and I are totally codependant by definition. We depend on each other for so many things. If he went away, I would muddle through somehow and vice-versa but what’s the point of being life partners if you don’t depend on each other?

In the beginning stages of a relationship (which is where it sounds like you are), you are likely going to spend inordinate amounts of time together and think the other person is the best thing in the whole world. That is perfectly normal.

However, you do have to keep in mind that that phase does not last and you may find out things about your new love that make it impossible to stay with. Make sure you have an out and are not so intermingled financially that you can’t leave.

Once you can make an honest list of ten things that drive you nuts about her, and you still want to be with her, you are probably out of the woods and can become more committed.

Co-dependence is typically coupled with denial. If everyone you know is saying there is a problem, there might just be a problem.*

*not a girl/girl problem

Y’know, if you don’t put on your reading glasses before reading this thread title, you see it as “Love vs. Codpiece.”

It doesn’t seem appropriate, though.