I do want to bring this up while I review the game; Darth, you still have a vote on me to encourage discussion, which I might even call a semi - random vote. It still remains, and I haven’t heard much from you in the past few days (yes, I have been quiet too).
If you’re away from game, thats fine, but you haven’t seen anything happen yet in game thats more substantial than your vote on me? I’m really curious why a semi-random hasn’t changed yet, w/out at least seeing some reasoning from you.
If it makes you feel better, I didn’t understand Blaster Master’s post either.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Y’all, I can see where this is leading as well as anybody.
My problem is that I have a stirring all-day training tomorrow (Leadership Development Initiative! 40 hours of Corpra-Speak packed into five fun-filled Wednesdays! Catch the fever!), and rehearsal tonight and tomorrow. What that means is that after 5:00 today, I will be unable to participate until Thursday morning.
Given all of that, I am going to have to make a difficult decision in the next few hours. I don’t suppose any of you will just back off if I say, “trust me,” will you? Yeah, I didn’t think so. I have to think about this.
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After a slip like that, I think that trusting you is probably not on many people’s minds. Given that situation and the boards being flaky, sooner is probably going to be better than later.
And yes, I am seriously considering voting for you as well, just in case you were wondering.
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
All I did was anticipate that Blaster was going to post a lot of content, and skip him. I explained it when I did it, and there’s nothing wrong with it, despite your efforts to make it seem so. You said twice above that I didn’t do what I said I was going to do, and so that was suspicious. But that’s not what happened at all, as I hope you will now acknowledge.
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I’ve said this in past games, but I want to make it clear. I consider lurking to be against the spirit of the game. If you’re barely posting, you’re barely playing; if you’re barely playing, what’s the point? Sure, you may have avoided suspicion but at that point it’s in large part do to simply not participating and not to actually good play.
So, if I’m not posting, it’s because life or work or something has gotten in the way. It may be valid to look at my posts and go “usually he’s a top poster, but now he’s near the middle, something’s weird”. As such, I think it is valid to look at post count in general, because it’s a valid game mechanic, but simply going “hey this guy hasn’t posted” is at best a metagame reason, and more likely completely useless as life has no correlation to a role.
So, yes, Shadow, I’d say your assessment of my previous play is fairly accurate. I also think it’s silly of those casting suspicion on you for overlooking me when I had zero posts. I DO change my style from game to game, but have I ever had ZERO posts or stopped posting for some period of time and it ever been for a reason other than Life > Mafia?
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
If it makes you feel better, I didn’t understand Blaster Master’s post either.
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Wait, which post didn’t you understand? I do have a tendency to have some complex strategems that don’t translate well. Was it my Dracula one, or my point against storyteller?
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Given all of that, I am going to have to make a difficult decision in the next few hours. I don’t suppose any of you will just back off if I say, “trust me,” will you? Yeah, I didn’t think so. I have to think about this.
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I’m not caught up yet, but from what I can tell it looks like you’ve got some suspicion. This looks like a subtle hint that you have a power role. If this is the case, you might as well tell it now, because I can’t imagine the scum would miss something this blatant if, in fact, you are pro-town.
OK. Here goes:
I have a claimable role. I will claim it before 5:00PM today if it is necessary to secure my own safety. I am going to attempt to withhold the actual role for the moment, to see if I can somehow secure my own safety without revealing it. A study of the actual potential Night interactions among the various roles will probably suggest my reasons for attempting to keep my actual role a secret - depending on what Scum power roles are actually in the game, and what other pro-Town roles are actually in the game, the ability to keep the Scum (et al) guessing at least a bit would be very useful.
I do recognize that this effort will probably be useless, and that I’ll ultimately have to claim for real, but there’s no harm in trying.
The “slip” was a glorified typo. It was a sucky, sucky typo, because a claim at this point is going to hurt us, significantly (not fatally, of course, but still), and I’m incredibly pissed at myself for that. Beyond that, I don’t know how to handle this.
Fuck. Sorry.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
The other side of that coin is that scum won’t have to supply opinions either. When I was scum I really didn’t want to state my opinion of someone, especially someone who was also scum.
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Okay, I’m looking at the discussion between WFTomba and sachetorte about saying all of your suspicions versus giving none. You all are being way too black and white about it. It’s a balance between getting out information that is useful to town and information that is helpful to scum. We learned quickly in M2 that giving full suspicion and trust lists were a bad idea, it might be helpful to town, but it’s at least as helpful to scum.
That said, giving no information isn’t helpful to town because, if you die and you didn’t share your information, you haven’t been much help. I think the best thing to do is to point out points for and against individuals. Each of us will weigh these points differently. Someone could have 5 pro-town tells and 3 scum tells, and one person would say they’re probably town, and someone else thinks the scum tells are big ones and says they’re probably scum.
That is going “I think so-and-so is town” is useless, but going “I think such-and-such that so-and-so did is a town tell” is more useful. Because really, how you weight it is either a matter of personal style or scummy manipulation, so it’s just better to make the points instead.
That all said, I think this is essentially what sachetorte did, even if he did it a little sloppily. If I’m interpretting it correctly, his opinion of Fretful Porpentine’s behavior is not that dissimilar from mine, that the scum motivation is lacking, except he takes it a step further to say she’s probably town because of it. AFAICT, this is most likely a null tell against sachetorte because I don’t see how that analysis is anything other than straight forward, it’s just bad presentation which is just as easily done by town as by scum.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Wait, which post didn’t you understand? I do have a tendency to have some complex strategems that don’t translate well. Was it my Dracula one, or my point against storyteller?
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It was the storyteller post.
storyteller’s entire point was that Fretful knows that there are x werewolves and that precludes the scout. His point isn’t that there are x werewolves and a scout.
While I disagree with storyteller’s conclusions and theory, I do understand it. I just think Fretful bringing up the scout at all seems rather weird for scum to do.
Anyway, storyteller’s impending roleclaim will happen for reasons entirely unrelated to Fretful Porpentine.
I’m really not a big fan of the delayed role claim.
What’s the matter scumteller, need more time to come up with something plausible enough to save your neck? If you want to dispel suspicion any claim should be made fully and immediately, otehrwise it smacks of prevarication.
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
Let me put forward an alternative viewpoint. The scum are rarely lurkers. It gets mentioned every game, but in general, I find that it tends to be town who spend their time not posting too much. Voting for lurkers on the grounds they are scum, more often than not, is likely to be wrong.
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Someone else expressed a similar statement, but my skim back could not find it. Anyway, it was enough for me to question my own thesis that I mentioned earlier that scum tend to lurk on Day One. So I just slogged through my most recent game, Simpletown, to see what the data said. Here are my post counts from Day One:
Blaster Master - 42 [Town]
ShadowFacts - 26 [Mason]
peekercpa - 22 [Mason]
Sitnam - 17 [Town]
Nanook of the North Shore - 16 [Town]
pedescribe - 15 [Town]
Menocchio - 14 [Town]
fluiddruid - 14 [Town]
IceCreamMan – 14 [Scum]
WF Tomba - 14 [Town]
zuma – 13 [Scum]
Koldanar - 13 [Detective]
bufftabby - 10 [Town]
Queen of Town - 9 [Doctor]
MadTheSwine – 7 [Scum]
MindWanderer – 6 [Scum]
Note that the 4 scum are all in the bottom half of the vote count, and 2 scum are dead last (and zuma could probably be lower - he had several one-line posts that I counted separately that arguably could have been combined). Obviously, one game does not a trend make, but here at least is some objective support for my theory. Make of it what you will.
And CatInASuit, you may be interested in taking a peek at post 177 in that game, where I did a Day One post count analysis and also did not vote for the person with the least posts (I had forgotten that).
(Side Note: Also of interest to me was the top of the list, where 5 of the 6 top posters on Day One survived to the end of the game - wow!)
Hm. I’m not entirely sure where to begin here.
[QUOTE=Darth Sensitive]
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
I think Fretful Porpentine has an S/17 chance of being scum, where S=the number of scum. Her no-scout opinion did not say anything to me one way or the other about her alignment.
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This one is buzzing me pretty bad. Very wishy washy.
FoS WF Tomba
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[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
Not at all wishy-washy. I couldn’t possibly have been more precise.
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After looking at what Darth Sensitive quoted, I don’t think wishy-washy is the best word to describe it. It’s more…well, telling us nothing. You’ve managed to say something without saying anything. You don’t give us any indication of what you might think the scum’s numbers are and you don’t give us an opinion on anything. You’re right in that it’s precise. But you’re precisely NOT giving a solid answer a direct question. It’s very minor but still worth noting.
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
Right now, I think our priority should be lynching wolves. After all, there’s always a chance that Dracula self-destructs.
That changes when there are only 4 or 5 players left.
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^–I agree with Diggit. If given the choice of a wolf or a Drac, unless it’s late game we should go for the wolf, especially because taking a wolf out could take out a power role for them.
Re: Storyteller’s slip, well, it reeks of a scum mistake. But like others have said, I would think that storyteller is more experienced than that and wouldn’t be likely to make such an obvious slip-up. Of course, I could be giving the benefit of the doubt because I know from personal experience in the Batman game that a regular townie can make a huge mistake that looks like a big scum tell. It’s still the biggest tell and most suspicious thing that’s shown up all Day, though.
On preview: I see storyteller’s said that he has a claimable role. Interesting. I’m on the side of it coming out sooner than later, especially if he’s going to be indisposed for a whole day.
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers]
I’m really not a big fan of the delayed role claim.
What’s the matter scumteller, need more time to come up with something plausible enough to save your neck? If you want to dispel suspicion any claim should be made fully and immediately, otehrwise it smacks of prevarication.
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Oh, bite me.
Fine. I’m your friendly neighborhood Constable. I have nothing to report, because I made one goddamn typo and everyone is ten feet up my ass, and now even if I make it to tonight, if the Scum have an Alchemist, I can now be freely blocked. If Dracula is in the game, I can now be Vamped.
Happy now?
Again, sorry to all.
[QUOTE=CatInASuit]
Here’s another question for people to answer/throw brickbats at me/discuss:
If we have a chance to lynch Dracula or a Wolf ToDay or Tomorrow: Which one should we choose?
Opinions are, as always, welcome.
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Since this is asked, Wolf. In this case, it would imply that we know who Dracula is. He is not a threat until he’s had the chance to bite enough people to put us in jeopardy or it’s near end game. Not to mention, he holds the risk of killing himself by biting a wolf. If we do happen to find out who he is, I’d say let him bite and possibly kill himself, and we can always lynch him if we don’t have a better candidate or when he really becomes a threat (which isn’t for at least a few Days). That said, is is definitely to our advantage to find him ASAP so that we have these sorts of options.
P.S. I think I now know how Roosh feels when I get after him.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Okay, I’m looking at the discussion between WFTomba and sachetorte about saying all of your suspicions versus giving none. You all are being way too black and white about it. It’s a balance between getting out information that is useful to town and information that is helpful to scum. We learned quickly in M2 that giving full suspicion and trust lists were a bad idea, it might be helpful to town, but it’s at least as helpful to scum.
That said, giving no information isn’t helpful to town because, if you die and you didn’t share your information, you haven’t been much help. I think the best thing to do is to point out points for and against individuals. Each of us will weigh these points differently. Someone could have 5 pro-town tells and 3 scum tells, and one person would say they’re probably town, and someone else thinks the scum tells are big ones and says they’re probably scum.
That is going “I think so-and-so is town” is useless, but going “I think such-and-such that so-and-so did is a town tell” is more useful. Because really, how you weight it is either a matter of personal style or scummy manipulation, so it’s just better to make the points instead.
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I agree with you about this. I find **WF Tomba’s **stance here:
[QUOTE=WF Tomba]
Hell no. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m not going to give the Werewolves a clue to what I’m thinking until it really becomes necessary. If there’s a bandwagon building on some player and I think it’s based on bad reasoning, I’ll say so. If I’ve been keeping an eye on some player long enough to build a strong case against them, I’ll lay it out. Until then, I’m keeping my opinions to myself.
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much more problematic than sach’s, though. There is a balance, as you say, but I definitely lean more toward the “openness” side, and Tomba’s keeping his opinions to himself until “necessary” is decidedly anti-Town, IMO.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Oh, bite me.
Fine. I’m your friendly neighborhood Constable. I have nothing to report, because I made one goddamn typo and everyone is ten feet up my ass, and now even if I make it to tonight, if the Scum have an Alchemist, I can now be freely blocked. If Dracula is in the game, I can now be Vamped.
Happy now?
Again, sorry to all.
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genius! I claim a powerful town role, but at the same time, don’t expect me to have anything to tell you tomorrow, becayse the scum will block me.
Not really moving me to unvote I must say.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Oh, bite me.
Fine. I’m your friendly neighborhood Constable. I have nothing to report, because I made one goddamn typo and everyone is ten feet up my ass, and now even if I make it to tonight, if the Scum have an Alchemist, I can now be freely blocked. If Dracula is in the game, I can now be Vamped.
Happy now?
Again, sorry to all.
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Crap.
And not crap that we make the constable claim.
Crap, we have no way of verifying this claim. Normally, a cop role can give information that would produce verifiable information. Tomorrow, should storyteller live, storyteller can happily say, “I was blocked,” whether true or not.
ie. if storyteller is scum, then claiming constable at this point is the perfect fake claim.
I don’t know what to do about that.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
P.S. I think I now know how Roosh feels when I get after him.
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Hey it proves that you, like the rest of us, are only human 
anfd let me say. If he is fake claiming, and wr have a real constable out there - don’t counter claim.