I didn’t imply that at ALL. You misread. What I was saying is my big 3 suspects for toDay are: Wanders, Story, and YOU. Now if I didn’t vote for wanders my choice would fall between you and Story. I (as in ME) don’t want to take the risk of lynching an actual cop on Day 1. Henceforth, I would vote for YOU next. You’re not putting him at risk in any way. It’s MY risk of lynching the cop.
That’s an easy one to clear up.
Where is your vote? I certainly DO hope you’re at least voting toDay.
And I really didn’t like your last sentence- it’s pinging my scumdar.
You really believe that all 4 major players are Townie? One- I’d agree, two- sure. Three- Maybe yeah… but ALL four are Townies? That’s surprising to me.
And I believe **Sach **HAS been suspicious, namely in his crazy defensiveness- I mean WHY would a townie want to cause a mislynch on Day 1 intentionally? Because if he IS town, and he’s advocating lynching himself- it’s REALLY stupid. We lynch him, and then toMorrow we’re in the same place with Story and Wanders again. His death wouldn’t really have served anything unless he’s some special role that knows about Wanders alignment.
I just don’t see the reason for his martyrdom.
We only have a few more hours, so I think we all have to vote really soon if we want our votes to count. I voted for One and Only Wanderer, and I’m not changing mine. That’s all.
I will say this- I’m feeling better now with the way the votes are going. We’ve got a bunch on Wanders, and we’re getting a growing bandwagon list on FS. That’s what I expected to see, and it DOES make me feel a bit better about my suspicions.
I’m curious to see what happens between Wanders and Slit, as they’re two unrelated cases to each other, and I want to see where the votes fall ESPECIALLY in the last hours of the vote.
I’m done with you. Taunting me ain’t gonna work. You can wait patiently until Tomorrow for me vote.
Guys, guys, guys. What is it with people trying to lynch me as scum nearly every game? Do I just seem suspicious? I am not what you think I am, and that’s pretty much all I can say without you jumping on me for role claiming too soon and thus justifying your reasons for lynching me. Anyway, not that a role claim would really help me in this case.
What the heck?
All you can say without jumping on you for role claiming too soon.
But you already said you were vanilla, didn’t you? What other role claim did you have planned?
I think a quick re-read of your posts is in order.
Fretful Porpentine, did you not see OAOW’s reasoning, that keeping storyteller alive could yield information? Does that change your opinion at all?
This horse is long dead.
Storyteller’s absence yesterday and today is very bad. I would have liked to have heard his opinions on OAOW’s motivation. One might even call storyteller’s absence convenient.
Nothing specific here. Freudian Slit, you need to state your reasons explicitly!
I’m not sure I agree with Roosh’s theory, but he has one and he explained it. I do think it would be kind of funny if both storyteller and OAOW are scum and storyteller blew up at OAOW expecting to be lynched himself to give cover to OAOW. But I find that scenario doubtful. Fun to think about though.
Please explain why you just don’t think the option that OAOW is vanilla town and thinks storyteller is lying is not plausible. What is your reasoning for thinking that way?
OAOW addressed the issues with your vote reasoning. Cat was an early day random vote. I don’t think you can validly hold that against OAOW.
Why do you feel aggression is a scum tell? Why do you feel scum are more likely to be aggressive than Town?
Has Hal said anything past this vote?
And I’m still shocked that Hal would think scum would do anything that reeks. Historically, have scum behaved that way? Do you really expect scum to behave that way? What benefit was OAOW trying to leverage by acting so reekingly scummy?
Again, convenient bandwagon joiner.
What did OAOW do to prevent storyteller from showing himself as Town? storyteller’s claim is storyteller’s action, not OAOW’s.
Gah!
You said a few posts ago that you didn’t have a nifty role to claim. I took that to mean your claim was vanilla townsperson. Now you do have a nifty role to claim? :dubious:
Wait…what? These two posts together confuse me.
On preview: I see CatinaSuit beat me to it.
I am vanilla. So I guess I pretty much am saying that I’m just a townsperson with no mad skillz. But I figured if people saw me post my actual PM or something that they’d get all pissy for an irrelevant role claim.
I could post my PM and that way anyone else who is a vanilla town can corroborate it, assuming we all got the exact same private messages.
BTW, I take back my “convenient” charge. I don’t see storyteller being so yucky.
No matter what storyteller tells us tomorrow, it gives us no ability to discern any truthiness about his claim. Confirming storyteller confirms his results, but his results don’t confirm him. Even if he says someone is guilty, it’s not necessarily sufficient evidence to lynch that person, because it’s also entirely possible that he’s lying, knows he’s going to get caught, so he decides to try and get a townie killed in the meantime.
IOW, if he’s telling the truth, he’s best just trying to get us the best information he can for when he’s confirmed. If he’s lying, he’s best trying to avoid making an obvious lie and looking like he’s trying to play the role well.
I just want to say… bad idea. In order to confirm or deny that your pm is vanilla town, it would require a vanilla town to come out and say so. This is to the advantage of Dracula.
What you mean this one that USC Diver posted at the start of the game.
A few thoughts, since I’m sorta paranoid about my life expectancy throughout the night…
If **Wanders **comes up scummy- I want to see the defenders of him, and those who wondered about “there not being enough votes elsewhere”- namely Pollux Oil. Because it would be a BRILLIANT move to use that tactic AS a WAY to move votes away from wanders at the very last min. I’d also want to examine those that voted for him earlier, and couldn’t move away their votes due to the quickly piling up bandwagon, or if anyone DID shift their vote away. Those are the groups I’m interested in seeing.
**Storyteller **of course should get examined if **Wanders **comes up scum (and especially town), he shouldn’t get a free pass, as I still think both could be in cahoots. Sorry, just the way it is. Same reasoning could go for Sach- as he’s already mentioned earlier, no matter what he’s just looking suspicious.
If **Wanders **comes up TOWN- then I’d look at the flimsier votes on him, and I’d want to look at Sach and Story again as mentioned above. But in that case, I’d be curious to see who added the “me too votes” more towards the END of the voting sorta deal - ie: who didn’t put in the time and effort, we may catch the lazy scum at least in that process.
If **Freudian **comes up Scum- We should look at those of us who created the **Wanders **lynch. We should also look at those who started and STUCK with the **freudian **lynch- kudos to them. As I don’t see scum bussing Freudian with the way this Day has gone out vs. doing the same w/ Wanders if he’s scum.
Freudian would be trapped scum- so I’d look at the WANDERS wagon fully more so, and look maybe at the middle voters of freudian, but not the hammerer of her, or the early leaders vs. her. There would probably be one scum somewhere in her lynch, but It’s more likely then they were all in the one offs or in the wander’s lynch.
If Freudian is TOWN and lynched- Then we should again look at the ones who decried the Wander’s lynch- as then we’ve been had. How did the lynch move from Wanders, all the way to Freudian- that’d be the key thing to look at- which players caused the pleas and switching of votes in such a scenario.
Now: If Wanders and FREUDIAN are BOTH Town: I believe then there is equal chances of scum in both wagons- ie: if there’s 4 scum just have 2 in each and make it simple. Or have 2 in one, one elsewhere, and one or two in a one off vote.
That’s the worst- if both end up town, we’d have to go through the scenarios of BOTH “if shown Townie” sorta deals, and that incriminates a lot of people, and its a tough one. But we’re not going to know if both are Town or Both are Scum- it’s only one lynch. But those are the scenario’s running through my head on where to go on Day 2 from all this. Especially if i’m not here, that’s what my thoughts would have been.
If One of them turns out to be a Vampire: Uh… :Shrug:
Treat it as if they were Townie- because the SCUM wouldn’t know X was a vampire- so they’d end up treating said player as if they were lynching a townie.
Okey, yeah, so then I have no real way of confirming what I am. But if I was scum, wouldn’t I come up with some wild, wacky role instead of just saying I was a townie? Like seriously, I think I said I few stupid things upthread, granted. But really, there’s nothing else I can say except that I seem to come off as uber suspicious in every game, even when I’m not scum.
I agreed with you on that.
It was convenient, but i’d like to think that a player wouldn’t post OUT of GAME reasons for avoiding the game. If he simply didn’t post- okay fine- that’s cool with me. But a player saying they have X, and Y to do just for the sake of AVOIDING the game- that’s yucky to me.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
No. NO they wouldn’t. Not at the last min. at least. To say you would if scum is an invitation to WIFOM.
My dear necromantic running buddie Zoggie.
No, I don’t believe you. I’ve seen you roleclaim before 
And you don’t come off as suspicious scum in all games, you did very well in Conspiracy.