Freudian claiming vanilla surprises me. My reasoning goes back to her statement that she’d totally play ball with Dracula. My thinking at the time was Freudian was trying to look complicit (Hey, bite me! I won’t turn you in) but was instead either a wolf (ha! die!) or a mason or a physik (psych! no bite for you!). But now that she’s claimed vanilla the options are:
She really is vanilla and decided to tell the town and Dracula that she’d be a willing Vampire.
Or
She’s a wolf who was baiting Dracula into biting her.
Which is more likely coming from Freudian Slit?
Vanilla: I have a hard time seeing Freudian Slit buck the town consensus.
Wolf: I find it more plausible that Freudian Slit is a wolf who by saying she would be a willing vampire serves the dual purpose of looking Townie as it implicitly states that she can be turned into a vampire (I’m town!), and baiting dracula into killing himself.
Okay, I admit, I thought it would be kind of cool to be bitten initially…and I did want to keep my options open if I was. Though it was stupid to tell everyone that. I guess I was kind of bored with getting a really dull role, and I was hoping I might get a cooler one. There’s nothing else I can really say in my defense, except it doesn’t look like I’ll get lynched tonight. And I really doubt I’ll get eaten by wolves or bitten at this point since I think Dracula thinks I’m either a wolf, or that if bitten I’ll end up getting lynched. So I’ve got that going for me. In conclusion, I don’t think you guys should lynch me today, or ever, for htat matter.
I’ve explained my thoughts on false claims earlier in the thread. They just don’t happen all that frequently in Doper related games. When you combine that fact with the way OAOW came across as prepared to disbelieve any claim at all made by story I find it hard to believe he’s just vanilla disbelieving. Is it possible? Sure, the only people with 100% certainly about other’s roles are the mods and the wolves to a certain extent.
As for your question about what effect knowing that story was scum with 100% certainly would have, I for one would certainly change my vote. To story obviously. However, since I don’t actually belive that’s the question you are asking…it would lessen my suspicion of OAOW some. Would that be enough for me to vote for someone else? I can’t say, since that would require another Day to pass. Things can change rapidly over the course of a Day. Someone could make a major scum slip. We might have a role claim and investigation result. There’s a lot of things that would go into it. Basically what it comes down to is there isn’t enough information to say for certain one way or another.
Er…could you say that bolded part again? I’m having trouble following it.
he didn’t make any claim, he made a cop claim. You have no idea how I would or would not have reacted to a different claim.
Anyway, I think Freudian has looked increasingly scummy these last few posts. His nifty role/vanilla thing doesn’t mesh. His thinking a vanilla PM would prove him when USC posted it first thing is also odd. I think he should be lynched today. My vote is staying on him.
Sach, I’m really curious about how you said you have a hard time seeing Freudian Slit as a vanilla here, without any explanation to it…it just sounds like you’re assuming a motive based on who Freudian Slit is?
So I’m thinking about Tomorrow:
Possible scenarios:
storyteller says no reading
storyteller gives a reading of Town
storyteller gives a reading of Scum
We lynch storyteller in this case. If he turns up constable, then we know there is a roleblocker (sucky consolation prize). If he turns up wolf, then yay!
We have the option of pressing storyteller for role information. Only the true constable and scout would have role information. I’m not sure how helpful this would be and whether the risks outweigh the benefits, but it is an option.
Lynch the accused.
If storyteller is not the scout, then I think he won’t have role information from the scout yet. I’m guessing that the scout gets investigation results at Dawn. Is this correct?
Freudian claimed vanilla. If true she is Bite-able.
Freudian also said she would play along with Dracula. My thinking is a vanilla Townie would not state this. Someone who really could be turned into a vampire would not tell the Town that she’d play vampire. If she were planning to play along with Dracula she would have kept it secret.
My theory is Freudian Slit can’t turn into a Vampire, hence her statement. The possibilities for that are : Wolf, mason, physik (Dracula too, I guess).
By claiming vanilla, she excludes mason and physik.
That leaves Wolf.
Comments like that just don’t strike me as something a person with an open mind regarding a claim would make. YMMV.
You really don’t see how it would benefit scum to have the constable disbelieved? Seriously? That has to be a scum’s wet dream, to have the town mislynch the constable. The only thing better for them would be the doctor getting it, and that’s debatable.
Certainly, **storyteller **shouldn’t get a free pass if **Wanders **turns up Scum. And he ESPECIALLY shouldn’t get a free pass if **Wanders **turns up Town.
I must say… todays posts have not been kind to Freudian, I’m going to have to add her to my list of suspicious people, as I do think her actions with the Vampirism have been quite… suspect.
Especially since she claimed vanilla, and it DID look like she was baiting the vampires.
Because in my experience a drip fed claim is a BS claim. If you have come to a point where you need to claim you claim fully and quickly. You don’t tease and delay. My post was intended to get his claim out of him and it did. I STILL think he is scum and got pressured into a false claim, and he went for one which he thought was unlynchable.
As manic as he is coming across, sach continues to make good points about the OAOW lynch, and he has exposed the drive-by voters in that group. I won’t be voting for OAOW toDay.
My analysis of Freudian was not favorable to her, IMO. Her weird pseudo-non-role-claim a short while ago didn’t help, but on re-read her explanation in post 531 reads true to me. I almost feel compelled to vote for her because if I’m not voting for OAOW, then she’s the only other viable target. But I’m not feeling it, and I’m not going to hop on a bandwagon unless I can justify it, and I can’t.
So I’m leaving my vote on Hal unless something compelling happens in the last hour. Probably not a popular move, but there it is. I did a similar thing with MadTheSwine (who I really felt was very scummy) in Simpletown, and it worked out well the next day, so I won’t apologize. I’ve made my positions on the two top candidates pretty clear, I think, so I don’t feel like I’m avoiding any accountability.
That’s all from me for this Day and I don’t see any sudden last minute changes.
Considering my luck, I will be dead by Morning. All my notes are there for people to read through. Please think about how this game is set up and people’s reasoning for their actions. It is important.
dont pretend youre not contributing to my lynch. The onlyt candidates now are freudian and me, by not voting freudian , you are effectivelt helping lynch me.
Here’s the thing that always gets me. This is more of a metagaming issue than pertaining to this game, but I just NEVER liked this idea.
If I’m scum I prepare for this scenario- If i even give a HINT to role claiming- its because I’ve already got a role claim typed out and ready to go. If Scum that’s just basic - as soon as you get a role you make a roleclaim sorta deal. The uberprepared scum are going to have it ready. They don’t NEED “time” to bullshit a claim. And they certainly don’t post that “they need time” if they’ve ALREADY got a claim waiting in the wings. They post that as a DELAYING tactic in hopes of NOT role claiming.
But story said he’d post by 5pm if people were still suspicious. To me, Story’s a smart player. If he’s making up a role claim- he’s got it MADE at that point, so him posting that comment is just a delaying tactic to see if people will give him an inch (ie: the longshot). But WHY you felt a need to jump on it and claim it as your own by smudging him right from the start- i felt that wasn’t needed.
It all fuels my paranoia that you’re BOTH scum. That you’re the “silly scum” and story is the prepared scum. Because by virtue of being scum- you don’t make comments like “Give me time” unless you Really don’t NEED the time.
If you ACTUALLY need time, you just don’t say ANYTHING and use up the time in the meantime. That’s why its just odd that whole “forcing” of the claim.
So, I may be at lunch when the Day ends. The Day still ends at 4pm eastern 1pm pacific. It doesn’t matter. I am using the time stamp on the board to determin that happened before 1pm and what happened after. Nothing after 1pm will count. So if you want to do any vote shuffling, do it now.
One last look at the vote count. It hasn’t changed since it was last posted, but that was a couple of pages back.
Second part:
The problem is one scum, even two or three pushing for disbelief is terribly risky and unlikely to succeed. Scum would not do that. Scum would know whether or not storyteller is lying. Why would OAOW stick his neck out like that? Do you really think Town was going to just blindly follow what OAOW said? Clearly Town didn’t, and scum KNOW THAT! You’re looking at the action as possibly benefitting scum (even obviously benefitting scum) and declaring OAOW scum based on this. Scum know that theur actions will be scrutinized. Why would scum stick his neck out like that? Scum are not going to be so obvious. Their actions will be subtle.
Town is always suspicious of roleclaims, especially when the claim comes from someone claiming due to votes.
Everyone not voting me or freudian should pick one or the other of us. Get in the mix and give town more data to analyse come tomorrow. A vote for anyone else is wasted at this time
