Sorry guys… busy week. Well, not so much busy as full of a bizarre combination of diversions that have made it impossible to play. Unless the trend continues today, I should have enough time to get caught up, but no promises.
First off, the vote appears obvious from a quick skim, so I’m going to go ahead and cast before I do a catch-up read.
Vote ShadowFacts
BLAM -
Just make sure you post three more times in the next five hours or so. Talk about the weather if you have to, but post.
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Oh my, are you clever. You almost got to me to argue that finding scum on the basis of a cop investigation is BAD! Phew, thank the gods that my wolf instincts are finely honed and I avoided your trap. :rolleyes:
My sigh was because you have done exactly what scum want you to do: assumed that I am scum and that therefore you can sit back, relax, and do nothing for the rest of the Day. God forbid anyone put forth some effort to play the game when they can get spoonfed instead.
I think for the sake of my mental well-being I need to stop reading the thread now - it’s far too frustrating, and I’m just going to get angry and piss everyone else off, too. Enjoy your week off, Santo. See you at the scaffold. Good luck, Town!
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Hey ShadowFacts, can I have my shtick back from Recruitment. 
Seriously, this is almost the exact same tone and sort of argument I was making when I was investigated as scum in that game. The bottom line, though, is that storyteller is right. If you are scum, this is the only real reaction you can have that makes sense. You either accept your fate and go quietly, or you try to sow chaos and dischord in the town. That said, your behavior alone is a null tell, because a townie would be expected to make the same sort of argument as you are if he is falsely identified as scum.
However, in order to believe you, we’re left with a bizarre scenario that just doesn’t add up. We’d have to believe that storyteller is not the detective and that there isn’t another one. I can’t imagine the real detective would let him railroad you like this UNLESS he also knew you were scum and had good reason to believe he’d survive the Night.
Either way, we KNOW tha you and storyteller can’t both be telling the truth, thus at least one of you is a Wolf (though I think a double Wolf scenario is extraordinarily unlikely). Thus, we’re stuck choosing the one that we, as a town, believe to be least townie.
Further, your argument that we should be discussing the two of you is just plain silly. The most pro-town action to do is to settle the matter quickly, and start doing some analysis of other players. If you’d wanted to help your case, you really should, if you haven’t already, post some useful analysis of other people.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
BLAM -
Just make sure you post three more times in the next five hours or so. Talk about the weather if you have to, but post.
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Been sweatin’ his absence, haven’t ya? 
I came in one last time because the vote count reminded me that I hadn’t placed my useless, symbolic vote. But since it’s symbolic, let’s make it a good one:
vote storyteller0910
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
Hal, what gives?
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Nothing “gives”…I just don’t post if I don’t have anything to say. It’s a bit of a vicious circle, isn’t it? Low posting leads to a lack of posts to discuss leads to low posting (except for ones about how little people are posting). I don’t know if, as a group, we’re getting too cautious as to what we say, because there certainly haven’t been any of the little revealing scum slips that make it a little easier to point a finger.
I’ve not kept quiet about anything that I have an opinion on. I think Story is on the up-and-up, I don’t buy Shadow’s screed one bit, and I think Nanook is scum as well. I have no idea if we have a bloodsucker in our midst, although I have a feeling there isn’t. I set myself up as vampire-bait by (untruthfully) breadcrumbing very early on that I wouldn’t sell out the vamp if I were bitten, and my neck remains puncture-free.
If things work out well, then Shadow and Nanook will both be lynched and be revealed as scum, and we’ll be back on the safe(r) side of things. If Shadow turns out to be town, well then well-played scum.
I also think that if Shadow comes up as town, then I’m going to be leaning pretty hard toward the idea that this is a no-power-role game – strictly vanillas vs. scum. Of course, that might not be a bad thing…it would mean that there would have to be a very small number of scum to keep balance, and the endgame would be futher off then we’d otherwise assume.
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
BLAM -
Just make sure you post three more times in the next five hours or so. Talk about the weather if you have to, but post.
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Heh… do fluff posts count? I’ll try my best to meet the post requirement without having to rely on fluffiness. But I suppose we’ll see, doesn’t look like there’s a whole lot to catch up on…
[QUOTE=Hal Briston]
I’ve not kept quiet about anything that I have an opinion on. I think Story is on the up-and-up, I don’t buy Shadow’s screed one bit, and I think Nanook is scum as well.
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Hal, would you be willing to summarize the connection you see between ShadowFacts and Nanook? I know you’ve covered it in fits and starts before, but you’ve mentioned it a few times lately and at least an indicator of where to look for the explanation would be helpful.
[QUOTE=Koldanar]
Well we already know what we’d do if Shadow comes up town…lynch story. But, what do we do after that? What do we do if Shadow is scum…do we assume story didn’t just out him for townie cred as a wolf, or do we assume story is a constable? If so, then who would our next target be? Analysis can still be done on players in the game, and I think w/out some discussion we’re going to wind up hurting ourselves come next Day.
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Obviously, if ShadowFacts is town, we lynch storyteller. If he’s scum, it doesn’t definitively say that storyteller is town, but it leads heavy credence.
Look at it this way, we’ve already mislynched three times, right? The wolves have a distinct advantage at this point. If we assume that both of them are wolves, there’s little advantage to giving storyteller more confirmation, because at this point, if he IS lying, the real constable would have stepped up. Thus, if he’s lying, they’d have to believe there really isn’t another constable now AND they’d know that since there isn’t one, that we’d be that much more inclined to believe him without extraordinary evidence because there’s no counter-claim.
The only real advantage I could see to “confirming” storyteller is in trying to lure out Dracula if he exists. Obviously, it’s to their advantage if they can get him killed without using a Night kill on him.
At this point, I can’t say storyteller is confirmed if he’s proven correct, but it really doesn’t make much sense to treat the alternative as likely.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Further, your argument that we should be discussing the two of you is just plain silly.
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Well, if I had made that argument, then I would put on a silly hat. But since I didn’t, I’ll just stick my tongue out at you. (For the record, what I did say was that people should be looking at storyteller and who has been aligned with him to date.)
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
The most pro-town action to do is to settle the matter quickly, and start doing some analysis of other players. If you’d wanted to help your case, you really should, if you haven’t already, post some useful analysis of other people.
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The irony, it burns! If you want to give advice on game-playing, it helps to actually play the game (you know, by reading the posts where I did what you suggest).
Seriously, this is it. I’m leaving now. Step awaaaay from the keyboard…
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore]
Since it would be terrible from a town standpoint to just waste this day with no conversation, and since Shadow appears to be a deadman barring a counterclaim, we should probably get a head start on Tomorrow.
Our vote tomorrow is kinda obvious if Shadow comes up town. The question is, what do we do if he comes up Wolf? As I outlined before, it doesn’t confirm anything regarding story, even if it adds weight to it. Hal has made it clear what he’s doing, what about the rest of you? As for me, I’m not sure. Obviously a lot can change over the course of a Day. I think I’d want to do a reread and see if anything jumps out at me before I commit. It might be time to lynch story for info at that point, assuming he doesn’t die overnight.
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I just want to point out this is an odd post. You’re continuing to make a point that Shadow showing up as wolf doesn’t confirm storyteller. Why do you keep repeating this? This is, technically true, but it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Assuming we get the expected result of Shadow being wolf, should we throw storyteller right back in with everyone else as “equally suspicious”?
Even still, in your post where you vote, your point boils down to voting for information. And, at least to me, the general tone seemed to fit the same bill.
Looks like everyone is safe from mod kill (BlaM you need one more decent post). Good on y’all.
I am dealing with the last of my car issues this morning, but should be back in time to end the Day. (Worst case it will be an hour or so late.) But I porobably won’t get another post count up before then, not that you seem to need one.
Just a heads up.
Just to be official now,
vote Shadow
[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Hal, would you be willing to summarize the connection you see between ShadowFacts and Nanook? I know you’ve covered it in fits and starts before, but you’ve mentioned it a few times lately and at least an indicator of where to look for the explanation would be helpful.
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It starts out here (scroll down to post#719), and continues throughout that page.
The summed-up version is that the two of them employed the “tag-team” scum tactic in which one of them leads a charge against someone (namly me, in this case), pointing out everything they can against that person no matter how valid or invalid the vote may be. The next Day, they’ve got nothing, but one of their scumbuddies has picked up the mantle. This makes it look like several people are seeing the same thing, in the hopes of getting townies to fall in line. At the same time, neither one of them looks like they’ve got any kind of vendetta, since hey, they only went after them that one Day.
Since I’m the only one left…
Vote ShadowFacts
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Well, if I had made that argument, then I would put on a silly hat. But since I didn’t, I’ll just stick my tongue out at you. (For the record, what I did say was that people should be looking at storyteller and who has been aligned with him to date.)
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This is not my intent at all, and I think that is fairly clear. Discussion of either you or storyteller, after the decision of who to trust, is not worth it. It wasn’t discussion of the two of you together, it was discussion of the two of you, at all. If we take the time to go “what if storyteller is a wolf” and go on theorizing about that, and he isn’t, we’ve wasted a bunch of time on a possibility that we’d be shortly learning isn’t true.
Instead, I was saying we should discuss everyone else. Who seems to have extra knowledge about the situation? How does this reflect on other people?
Misrepresenting me as misrepresenting you doesn’t help your case at all. I appreciate the antics though.
Also, on a related note, I DO think there’s a potential wealth of information in Shadow’s “Don’t open 'til XMAS” post if he turns up as a wolf. He gave us a wonderful “list of three” right there at face value. This, to me, means there’s probably exactly one wolf in that list, and knowing I’m not it, it makes me wary of Diggit and Hal. Although I can’t remember if one of them was investigated by storyteller or not, so that might change things; the only other investigation I can recall, without rereading, is Santo Rugger.
So, I just had this crazy idea, tell me what you guys think:
I’m guessing that, once bitten, a person will have a posting restriction preventing them from saying they’re bitten. So, what if, starting tomorrow, everybody includes in their post, “I’ve been bitten by Dracula.” The people who don’t say it have already been bitten, and therefore… aww, shit, scum would just refuse to say it. Damn it, I thought I was onto something, too.
Hey all, looks like I made it back in time! You have 45 minutes to change around your votes in an attempt to drive me insane.
I am going to go work on the color, back with Day ending in 45 or so.
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
So, I just had this crazy idea, tell me what you guys think:
I’m guessing that, once bitten, a person will have a posting restriction preventing them from saying they’re bitten. So, what if, starting tomorrow, everybody includes in their post, “I’ve been bitten by Dracula.” The people who don’t say it have already been bitten, and therefore… aww, shit, scum would just refuse to say it. Damn it, I thought I was onto something, too.
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Why would scum refuse to say it? If we get enough people to agree that this is a good plan, then anyone going against it is doing so not in the best interest of the town. Thus, by scum refusing to say it, they’re either scum or were bitten. I fail to see a downside to such a plan.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Hey all, looks like I made it back in time! You have 45 minutes to change around your votes in an attempt to drive me insane.
I am going to go work on the color, back with Day ending in 45 or so.
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This is good enough reason for me.
Vote ShadowFacts
Unvote NAF1138
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger]
… aww, shit, scum would just refuse to say it.
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And look pretty damn scummy in the process…
And on preview, yeah, what BLaM said.